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Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by rjst01 »

jlund-molfese wrote: post #49
paholg wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At a prior company, we had a terraform slack channel, where people would post lock and unlock emojis and apply terraform manually. Obviously, it's not a perfect system, and it doesn't indefinitely scale, but it worked well enough.

We use Atlantis [0] for CI/CD automation of Terraform pull requests to a centralized repository. It's pretty good too, especially for a self-hosted solution. I can't see how Terraform Cloud's costs would be justifiable for us without a custom contract. [0] https://www.runatlantis.io/

At my last gig we built a bespoke version of this on top of our CI provider. Now i'm a technical co-founder in a startup and this is something I haven't quite solved yet, and this looks like exactly what we're after. Thanks!

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Post by pvg »

bdcravens wrote: post #43
echelon_musk wrote: post #33

Who is upvoting this blog spam from an account created 4hrs ago?

While it's a bit unusual for a new account submitting only one site to have two posts on the front page, it seems to be a well-written article. I certainly appreciate fresh takes over someone submitting the same Paul Graham or Kalzumeus page that been submitted dozens of times, or over users who submit several times a day, every day (tosh, tomte, etc)

it seems to be a well-written article

It's LLM-assisted/bloated fluff which it pretty much admits (with some more LLM-y fluff) right at the start

https://shavingtheyak.com/2023/10/29/seo-generative-ai-and-t...

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by flumpcakes »

paholg wrote: post #44
saberience wrote: post #6

Terraform Cloud costs are an absolute joke. I was actually the decision maker a couple of years ago when we chose our IAC stack and decided not to go with Terraform Cloud despite thinking the product is strong, and it was entirely due to the business model and cost. For us (and I'm guessing for many VC funded companies), SAAS managed IAC is a nice to have, but certainly not a MUST-have and certainly not something in…

At a prior company, we had a terraform slack channel, where people would post lock and unlock emojis and apply terraform manually. Obviously, it's not a perfect system, and it doesn't indefinitely scale, but it worked well enough.

How does this work? I thought the terraform state file was the single source of truth - if people are applying terraform 'manually' I assume that means on their local device? Are people sharing around the state file but don't have a central location for a lock file? Apologises if this seems obvious...

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by latchkey »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #15
saberience wrote: post #6

Terraform Cloud costs are an absolute joke. I was actually the decision maker a couple of years ago when we chose our IAC stack and decided not to go with Terraform Cloud despite thinking the product is strong, and it was entirely due to the business model and cost. For us (and I'm guessing for many VC funded companies), SAAS managed IAC is a nice to have, but certainly not a MUST-have and certainly not something in…

I personally like what render.com is doing with IaC through their blueprints format. It's definitely a kid's toy version of IaC, but it's a really nice step up from Heroku.

It appears to be proprietary.

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Post by devonbleak »

tedivm wrote: post #53
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a terraform user but haven't courage to migrate as IAC is trickier than it looks. How much is OpenTofu compatible with terraform? Is there any page which tracks this or list down things which might break on migration.

OpenTofu is a superset of Terraform. They maintain complete compatibility with Terraform while adding additional features on top of it. They have more dedicated developers on the project than Hashicorp does, and they are building out a fairly robust RFC process for the additional features. I would not recommend using OpenTofu in production until they've had their first official release though. They currently have som…

A superset of Terraform 1.5. Terraform 1.6 has features that OpenTofu does not have.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by [deleted] »

fweimer wrote: post #36
jakozaur wrote: post #5

Hashicorp is one of the extreme examples. Terraform Cloud is an okay product at best, which went from expensive to very expensive. Moreover, they aggressively changed the Terraform license from open-source to BSL. So after the whole community contributed a lot of providers, they want to profit from that. You should use OpenTofu and buy IAC from one of the companies sponsoring full-time engineers on that project: Spac…

In all fairness, the Terraform provider registry has always been clearly proprietary, prohibiting commercial use by default: > You may download or copy the Content (and other items displayed on the Services for download) for personal non-commercial use only https://web.archive.org/web/20201106225027/https://registry....

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Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by tedivm »

devonbleak wrote: post #66
tedivm wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenTofu is a superset of Terraform. They maintain complete compatibility with Terraform while adding additional features on top of it. They have more dedicated developers on the project than Hashicorp does, and they are building out a fairly robust RFC process for the additional features. I would not recommend using OpenTofu in production until they've had their first official release though. They currently have som…

A superset of Terraform 1.5. Terraform 1.6 has features that OpenTofu does not have.

No, it's a superset of Terraform. The developers of OpenTofu have been adding every new feature in, and are committing to version parity. They've already got the new testing framework built out for example, as well as the changes to the S3 backend.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by mjr00 »

pvg wrote: post #63
bdcravens wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While it's a bit unusual for a new account submitting only one site to have two posts on the front page, it seems to be a well-written article. I certainly appreciate fresh takes over someone submitting the same Paul Graham or Kalzumeus page that been submitted dozens of times, or over users who submit several times a day, every day (tosh, tomte, etc)

it seems to be a well-written article It's LLM-assisted/bloated fluff which it pretty much admits (with some more LLM-y fluff) right at the start https://shavingtheyak.com/2023/10/29/seo-generative-ai-and-t...

The article you linked doesn't admit that at all.

> I will use generative AI for ‘color’ content like pictures and icons due to factors like cost and time, but I don’t intend to use AI for anything else at all other than possibly helping me sort through ideas or summarizing pertinent information from overly long articles.

TFA doesn't read like ChatGPT nonsense and it provides some interesting discussion. It looks like it's just a new technical blog someone created and is earnestly sharing with HN.

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