Shameless plug: Co-founder of Terrateam[0] here. We have flat rate pricing with unlimited operations and users. Terraform Cloud pricing is absolutely crazy.
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Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock
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Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock
#52Terraform Cloud costs are an absolute joke. I was actually the decision maker a couple of years ago when we chose our IAC stack and decided not to go with Terraform Cloud despite thinking the product is strong, and it was entirely due to the business model and cost. For us (and I'm guessing for many VC funded companies), SAAS managed IAC is a nice to have, but certainly not a MUST-have and certainly not something in…
Honest question. If you need to pump data into datadog from your cloud, why not just stop doing that, and use the cloud tools? Datadog isnt' creating metrics. The metrics are already on your cloud provider (gcp,aws,etc) -- AND all these providers have ways to view metrics. Why do people pay 20k per month for data dog? They dont' want to use GCP metrics explorer? Same with TF cloud. You can just setup a jenkins job and do all the features TF cloud has in a few hours. Why pay TF cloud? Are people confused? I must be missing something. I worked at startups that thought all metrics need to be in datadog, but they didnt' understand they can just use metrics explorer. You can't even use sql to create graphs in datadog, it's awful.
IMHO If you are serious, dump the metrics into bigquery/redshift and start doing sql like an adult.
Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock
#53Hashicorp is one of the extreme examples. Terraform Cloud is an okay product at best, which went from expensive to very expensive. Moreover, they aggressively changed the Terraform license from open-source to BSL. So after the whole community contributed a lot of providers, they want to profit from that. You should use OpenTofu and buy IAC from one of the companies sponsoring full-time engineers on that project: Spac…
I am a terraform user but haven't courage to migrate as IAC is trickier than it looks. How much is OpenTofu compatible with terraform? Is there any page which tracks this or list down things which might break on migration.
OpenTofu is a superset of Terraform. They maintain complete compatibility with Terraform while adding additional features on top of it. They have more dedicated developers on the project than Hashicorp does, and they are building out a fairly robust RFC process for the additional features.
I would not recommend using OpenTofu in production until they've had their first official release though. They currently have some alpha releases out that you can experiment with.
Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock
#54Was there actually a price increase recently and not 6 months ago? If people just want to vent about Hashicorp/Terraform, it seems like a text-post would be sufficient for that.
It was announced a while back but the deadline to migrate to the new billing model is EOY.
Ok, that makes more sense, but if people haven't migrated away by now... the odds seem increasingly likely that they won't migrate in time to avoid that deadline.
Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock
#55Terraform Cloud costs are an absolute joke. I was actually the decision maker a couple of years ago when we chose our IAC stack and decided not to go with Terraform Cloud despite thinking the product is strong, and it was entirely due to the business model and cost. For us (and I'm guessing for many VC funded companies), SAAS managed IAC is a nice to have, but certainly not a MUST-have and certainly not something in…
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Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock
#56Terraform Cloud costs are an absolute joke. I was actually the decision maker a couple of years ago when we chose our IAC stack and decided not to go with Terraform Cloud despite thinking the product is strong, and it was entirely due to the business model and cost. For us (and I'm guessing for many VC funded companies), SAAS managed IAC is a nice to have, but certainly not a MUST-have and certainly not something in…
At a prior company, we had a terraform slack channel, where people would post lock and unlock emojis and apply terraform manually. Obviously, it's not a perfect system, and it doesn't indefinitely scale, but it worked well enough.
You can setup remote backends which support locking (e.g. Azure storage, Amazon S3, etc..) that way it's automatic.
You can see a list on the left-hand side here: https://developer.hashicorp.com/terraform/language/settings/...
Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock
#57Terraform Cloud costs are an absolute joke. I was actually the decision maker a couple of years ago when we chose our IAC stack and decided not to go with Terraform Cloud despite thinking the product is strong, and it was entirely due to the business model and cost. For us (and I'm guessing for many VC funded companies), SAAS managed IAC is a nice to have, but certainly not a MUST-have and certainly not something in…
Honest question. If you need to pump data into datadog from your cloud, why not just stop doing that, and use the cloud tools? Datadog isnt' creating metrics. The metrics are already on your cloud provider (gcp,aws,etc) -- AND all these providers have ways to view metrics. Why do people pay 20k per month for data dog? They dont' want to use GCP metrics explorer? Same with TF cloud. You can just setup a jenkins job an…
I would not consider metrics explorer to be a particularly good product. For queries where the query builder isn't good enough and you write PromQL instead, they don't even let you alias the legend; instead you must see the entire query as the label for that line.
A pretty minor nitpick, but indicative of the level of attention they give the product.
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#58ZIRP is over and SaaS is entrenched. Prepare for a LOT more rug pulling and price gouging. The labor and capital cost savings for moving to the cloud and SaaS were to get you there and get you dependent. Now that you don’t have in house IT anymore it’s time to turn the screws. You will soon be paying 2-3X what self hosted internal IT cost. The the pendulum will start to swing the other way. This is one of those endle…
It never really swings back the other way. It slows down adoption but we’ll never see large back-in-house IT projects. Because in-house offerings (and open-source) aren’t up to the task anymore.
Until very recently we were exclusively deploying on-prem and had been for over 20 years. The amount of tooling we had to write ourselves to get even a semblance of modern devops practices is insane. Absolutely no one supports the deployment methods and requirements we have, so it was either hacking existing things to do what we want, or writing our own stuff.
My team maintains our own Terraform providers, Ansible playbooks, bare metal management infra, CLI tooling, network automation, ITSM integration, on-prem Kubernetes running on metal in our own DCs, on-prem CI/CD, on-prem Gitlab, evolving IDP, etc.
SaaS, what SaaS?
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#59I’ve loved using Hashicorp products for many years but I have (despite often being in a position to do so) failed miserably to engage in any kind of commercial relationship with them. Their pricing has always been opaque. Despite trying my hardest, even multiple phone calls with their sales teams, I never got even a sniff of how much it would cost for enterprise deployments of Hashicorp products at any of my clients.…
I'll give you a clue: it's fucking expensive and their stuff creeps in everywhere.
Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock
#60Terraform Cloud costs are an absolute joke. I was actually the decision maker a couple of years ago when we chose our IAC stack and decided not to go with Terraform Cloud despite thinking the product is strong, and it was entirely due to the business model and cost. For us (and I'm guessing for many VC funded companies), SAAS managed IAC is a nice to have, but certainly not a MUST-have and certainly not something in…
At a prior company, we had a terraform slack channel, where people would post lock and unlock emojis and apply terraform manually. Obviously, it's not a perfect system, and it doesn't indefinitely scale, but it worked well enough.
StackOverflow famously manages database migrations this way; you post a message in a shared channel and get the next revision number.