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Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

#21
post #4

ZIRP is over and SaaS is entrenched. Prepare for a LOT more rug pulling and price gouging. The labor and capital cost savings for moving to the cloud and SaaS were to get you there and get you dependent. Now that you don’t have in house IT anymore it’s time to turn the screws. You will soon be paying 2-3X what self hosted internal IT cost. The the pendulum will start to swing the other way. This is one of those endle…

What is ZIRP?

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

#22
Kind of a shameless plug but it's hard not to with such a title.

Make sure to check out Spacelift[0]. It’s a CI/CD specialized in Infra as Code. Terraform/OpenTofu are first-class citizens and it brings advanced customizability with cross-statefile dependencies, OPA-policies (not just for access control, but e.g. customizing your gitops flow) and others.

The pricing is reasonable, too, and not per-resource. Generally based around concurrency.

Disclaimer: I work at Spacelift, but I do legitimately think it's a great product and recommend it.

[0]: https://spacelift.io

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

#23
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would use opentofu but still waiting on cdktf https://github.com/opentofu/manifesto/issues/58

Why not use the HashiCorp one? It's still MPL and should remain compatible with OpenTofu...

At the hashi conf last month they started talking about adding terraform features that would only work on terraform cloud.

It was very sad to see

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

#24
post #4

ZIRP is over and SaaS is entrenched. Prepare for a LOT more rug pulling and price gouging. The labor and capital cost savings for moving to the cloud and SaaS were to get you there and get you dependent. Now that you don’t have in house IT anymore it’s time to turn the screws. You will soon be paying 2-3X what self hosted internal IT cost. The the pendulum will start to swing the other way. This is one of those endle…

It never really swings back the other way. It slows down adoption but we’ll never see large back-in-house IT projects. Because in-house offerings (and open-source) aren’t up to the task anymore.

I disagree, there are great offerings out there. Open stack has stagnated a bit as things have radically shifted to the cloud, but it's still a good scalable and supported option. VMware also can get you pretty far. You can also go hybrid, and have the elastic scalability of cloud with the low cost of on-prem. Products like OpenShift can make this seamless to developers, and easy to manage and maintain.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

#25
I’ve loved using Hashicorp products for many years but I have (despite often being in a position to do so) failed miserably to engage in any kind of commercial relationship with them.

Their pricing has always been opaque. Despite trying my hardest, even multiple phone calls with their sales teams, I never got even a sniff of how much it would cost for enterprise deployments of Hashicorp products at any of my clients.

I’m a shareholder in HCP and lost money on them after the IPO, so maybe I’m a bit sore, but I’m dumping my holdings soon. I’ve got no confidence this company actually knows how to sell into the bulk of the addressable market that they outlined in their S1.

I think the growth they are currently generating will top out pretty soon when the shock of paying about the same for the management tools as the actual cloud services they are running hits home with their customers.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

#26
post #4

ZIRP is over and SaaS is entrenched. Prepare for a LOT more rug pulling and price gouging. The labor and capital cost savings for moving to the cloud and SaaS were to get you there and get you dependent. Now that you don’t have in house IT anymore it’s time to turn the screws. You will soon be paying 2-3X what self hosted internal IT cost. The the pendulum will start to swing the other way. This is one of those endle…

What is ZIRP?

Interest rates being near zero

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

#27
All these companies saw Snowflake's success and thought, "we want to use some kind of usage based pricing scheme to capture the value that we provide". Implicit in this thought process is that the price should scale in an unbounded way - if you're providing X value for a company with 10M revenue, you should be providing roughtly 1000X value to a company with 10B revenue.

And it may be true that you are providing 1000X the value! But that doesn't mean that you are going to be able to get away with charging 1000X the price when the cost of hiring a team to fully replace your product with something built in house is only 10X or 100X.

Snowflake doesn't have this problem because very few companies could recreate Snowflake, period, much less recreate it for less than their Snowflake spend. But all these "hosted open source product" offerings should have realized by now that they need a ceiling on their pricing structure and/or they need to stop open sourcing their code.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

#28

Kind of a shameless plug but it's hard not to with such a title. Make sure to check out Spacelift[0]. It’s a CI/CD specialized in Infra as Code. Terraform/OpenTofu are first-class citizens and it brings advanced customizability with cross-statefile dependencies, OPA-policies (not just for access control, but e.g. customizing your gitops flow) and others. The pricing is reasonable, too, and not per-resource. Generally…

I second this shameless plug and I'm about to be a 2 time spacelift purchaser. I did the same dance with Hashicorp a few years ago which led to a product shoot out and Spacelift won easily. That was before it also handled Kubernettes and Ansible.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

#29
post #5

Hashicorp is one of the extreme examples. Terraform Cloud is an okay product at best, which went from expensive to very expensive. Moreover, they aggressively changed the Terraform license from open-source to BSL. So after the whole community contributed a lot of providers, they want to profit from that. You should use OpenTofu and buy IAC from one of the companies sponsoring full-time engineers on that project: Spac…

I am a terraform user but haven't courage to migrate as IAC is trickier than it looks. How much is OpenTofu compatible with terraform? Is there any page which tracks this or list down things which might break on migration.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

#30
post #4

ZIRP is over and SaaS is entrenched. Prepare for a LOT more rug pulling and price gouging. The labor and capital cost savings for moving to the cloud and SaaS were to get you there and get you dependent. Now that you don’t have in house IT anymore it’s time to turn the screws. You will soon be paying 2-3X what self hosted internal IT cost. The the pendulum will start to swing the other way. This is one of those endle…

What is ZIRP?

Probably it is a "Zero Interest Rate Policy"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_interest-rate_policy

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