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Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by friend_and_foe »

ketzo wrote: post #4

I mean, young people have been dramatically more pro-Palestine since long before social media. Grain of salt and all, but I don’t think it’s a wild claim on its face, especially once you account for the nature of network effects / filter bubbles.

Well, our brains don't exist in vats. A storm of information is flowing through our heads constantly. They're pro Palestine because of their exposure to that information, increasingly curated by these algorithms.

I think they're probably right, in that it's not just their algorithm that has had this impact. It's all the algorithms, their social circle, the propagandistic media that's not fed by an algorithm but designed the old fashioned way such as TV, and of course their faculty of reason which is often discounted when we talk about this sort of thing.

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Post by slowmovintarget »

everdrive wrote: post #6

I don’t trust TikTok, but that’s not the same thing as saying they’re never capable of telling the truth. I find this claim plausible on its face, but I’m not sure any of us have any way to confirm or deny it.

TikTok is a cultural weapon aimed at the heart of Western civilization. There's a reason it's banned in China, even though China runs it.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by prmph »

wolverine876 wrote: post #129
prmph wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check these links: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_Palestine_b... - https://blog.kurby.ai/the-10-best-neighborhoods-in-gaza-pale... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimal

Thanks. Not your job to provide them, but Wikipedia, especially about a white-hot topic, is not reliable in my book. I will keep an eye out. Still, if you want to persuade people of extraordinary claims, you'll of course need very strong evidence.

There are references for the HDI figures. You really think Wikipedia is cooking HDI figures?

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by mardifoufs »

op00to wrote: post #30
lalajollyton wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel is bombing and murdering thousands of Palestinians. That is why people are supporting them, not an algorithm "problem".

Why do teenagers care about this particular tragedy and not Syria or any of the horrors in Africa? Surely it can’t be the scale of killing since there are far worse civilian death tolls in conflicts around the world.

Why did people care more about Ukraine than Iraq? Who cares?

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by mardifoufs »

xyzelement wrote: post #16

It’s about the same as saying “kids just want to drink Tide pods nowadays.” There’s definitely something wrong with kids who do it but you can’t deny that TikTok is where it gets coordinated. If your kid is on TikTok all day and gets all their information there, you can’t really separate their belief from the contents they see.

Yes, condemning hospital bombings and a state that blames civilians for their own deaths ("should'nt have voted for Hamas 17 years ago lol!") while killing more of them than even Russia did in Ukraine, is just like eating tidepods.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by mardifoufs »

sumthingsumthng wrote: post #81

It's a hype train (am I using the term correctly here?), a trend. Would be nice to trace it back to it's origin. This Hasan-Abi Streamer comes to mind. I only watched like 2 x 5 minutes on two different occasions, on one of which he talked about 9/11 [1], the potential conspiracies of which were a long debated topic back in my Uni days. In those days I learned a bit about the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict…

Was the massive wave of support for Ukraine a hype train? I mean, I guess so but my point is that it still has nothing to do with some sort of conspiracy theory. Maybe there's no narrative distortion, people really just do support them?

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by tzs »

explaininjs wrote: post #29
xyzelement wrote: post #16

It’s about the same as saying “kids just want to drink Tide pods nowadays.” There’s definitely something wrong with kids who do it but you can’t deny that TikTok is where it gets coordinated. If your kid is on TikTok all day and gets all their information there, you can’t really separate their belief from the contents they see.

Between 2012 and 2013, poison control centers reported over 7,000 cases of young children eating laundry pods. TikTok was released 2016. So yes, any truth-pursuing individual would deny that. But the media wants to blame TikTok, and people like you are are happy to buy it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumption_of_Tide_Pods

From the link you gave:

> During the popularity of Tide Pods as an Internet meme, in the month of January 2018, the American Association of Poison Control Centers (AAPCC) "recorded 606 exposures in children less than 5 years old," in addition to an increase in teenage exposures. In January 2018, there were more teenagers exposed to pods than in all of 2016 or 2017.

It sure sounds like the internet memes did in fact lead to a big increase in consumption of pods. Also, note that the 2012 and 2013 numbers were for young children. Internet memes would be more likely to be seen to older children and teens.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by op00to »

catlover76 wrote: post #104
op00to wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if that criticism isn't actually because of the conflict, but because of prejudices against one of the parties? There are strong anti-Islam and anti-Jewish forces at play. That sort of racism generally invalidates an argument.

So you believe that there is no valid basis to criticize Israel's actions here, and that anyone who is critical thereof must certainly be acting out of bigotry and you won't hear otherwise? And nothing I pointed out about how differently the war in Yemen is situated in the Western consciousness (i.e. basically not at all) versus this one matters?

There are all manner of reasons to criticize Israel’s actions.

I believe that most American teens opinions on this matter are influenced by either anti-Islam or anti-Jewish messaging they read through social media, and not a genuine interest in the conflict.

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