This may be true, but we have no idea until these companies open up their algorithms for scrutiny.
The ability to press a button and cause social, political and economic chaos around the world is too much power to entrust to anybody.
TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine
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#22It’s about the same as saying “kids just want to drink Tide pods nowadays.” There’s definitely something wrong with kids who do it but you can’t deny that TikTok is where it gets coordinated. If your kid is on TikTok all day and gets all their information there, you can’t really separate their belief from the contents they see.
Supporting Palestinians is nothing like the Tide pod challenge. Anyone who cares about human right should be extremely concerned about what Israel is doing right now.
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#23It’s about the same as saying “kids just want to drink Tide pods nowadays.” There’s definitely something wrong with kids who do it but you can’t deny that TikTok is where it gets coordinated. If your kid is on TikTok all day and gets all their information there, you can’t really separate their belief from the contents they see.
> It’s about the same as saying “kids just want to drink Tide pods nowadays.” There’s definitely something wrong with kids who do it
Supporting Palestinians is like drinking Tide pod? WOW, what an incredibly inhumane and racist take.
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#24I mean, young people have been dramatically more pro-Palestine since long before social media. Grain of salt and all, but I don’t think it’s a wild claim on its face, especially once you account for the nature of network effects / filter bubbles.
The problem is that, while young people have been more pro-Palestine for a long time, historically a much smaller percentage were immersing themselves for hours a day in increasingly sensationalist, often misleading pro-Palestinian content; there historically was far less of an incentive to produce or disseminate it. So we quickly go from “pro-Palestine” to “pro-Hamas” to “pro-Osama Bin Laden” to “holocaust denial”.
This isn’t exclusively a TikTok problem, or an Israel/Palestine problem, or a young people problem, or a left/right problem. Algorithmic suggestions are extremism generating machines.
Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
frankly, given the major media is in the tank for Israeli war crimes, I wouldn't care if TikTok was biased in the opposite direction, but they probably aren't. Youth are far more sympathetic to Palestine on nearly every survey.
Not to mention a lot of us are in the US, and the international perception of deliberately bombing a civilian population, turning off its water supply, etc., in retaliation for a terrorist attack (however brutal and big) is much more dim than most American media outlets and power-holders want people to believe. I think the rest of the world is looking at the situation a lot more realistically, and is fully aware that…
It probably doesn't hurt that this is basically exactly what America did following the 9/11 attacks, which while certainly horrific, brutal, and warranted a response, launched us straight into an armed conflict that afflicted somewhere between 200 and 600 thousand deaths on a completely unrelated populace while plunging an entire middle eastern state into near total anarchy that it has yet to entirely recover from, and we did eventually get the man most responsible for the attacks... in Pakistan, years later, a country we did not invade, that is in fact, an ally.
Fighting terrorism is difficult. Encouraging it in foreign nations with boondoggling military action is easy. Far too often the west engages in the latter.
And I know hindsight 20/20 etc. but it isn't like the fact that going to war with another nation on shit intelligence was going to create metric assloads of anti-American and anti-Western sentiment and stoke further growth of terrorist groups was a fringe view at the time. Tons of people came out against Operation Iraqi Freedom and basically ALL of their predictions have come true.
Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine
#26I mean, young people have been dramatically more pro-Palestine since long before social media. Grain of salt and all, but I don’t think it’s a wild claim on its face, especially once you account for the nature of network effects / filter bubbles.
The problem is that, while young people have been more pro-Palestine for a long time, historically a much smaller percentage were immersing themselves for hours a day in increasingly sensationalist, often misleading pro-Palestinian content; there historically was far less of an incentive to produce or disseminate it. So we quickly go from “pro-Palestine” to “pro-Hamas” to “pro-Osama Bin Laden” to “holocaust denial”.…
Israel is bombing and murdering thousands of Palestinians. That is why people are supporting them, not an algorithm "problem".
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#27How could any empathic person not be pro-5.2 million refugees?
Downvote me to death, I don't care, but have the courage to explain why you're downvoting.
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#28I mean, young people have been dramatically more pro-Palestine since long before social media. Grain of salt and all, but I don’t think it’s a wild claim on its face, especially once you account for the nature of network effects / filter bubbles.
Do you have any data to back up that assertion? As a teenager of the 90s, we were not all that globally conscious.
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#29It’s about the same as saying “kids just want to drink Tide pods nowadays.” There’s definitely something wrong with kids who do it but you can’t deny that TikTok is where it gets coordinated. If your kid is on TikTok all day and gets all their information there, you can’t really separate their belief from the contents they see.
Between 2012 and 2013, poison control centers reported over 7,000 cases of young children eating laundry pods.
TikTok was released 2016.
So yes, any truth-pursuing individual would deny that. But the media wants to blame TikTok, and people like you are are happy to buy it.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that, while young people have been more pro-Palestine for a long time, historically a much smaller percentage were immersing themselves for hours a day in increasingly sensationalist, often misleading pro-Palestinian content; there historically was far less of an incentive to produce or disseminate it. So we quickly go from “pro-Palestine” to “pro-Hamas” to “pro-Osama Bin Laden” to “holocaust denial”.…
Israel is bombing and murdering thousands of Palestinians. That is why people are supporting them, not an algorithm "problem".
Why do teenagers care about this particular tragedy and not Syria or any of the horrors in Africa? Surely it can’t be the scale of killing since there are far worse civilian death tolls in conflicts around the world.