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It was too cringey and creepy.
No it wasn’t.
A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons
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#392> But, does humanity really need an AI friend? This reminds me of the Fredrick Pohl line "A good science fiction story should be able to predict not the automobile but the traffic jam." So I wonder what the traffic jam is going to look like given that the car seems to already be parked outside with the engine running. Faster depopulation across the developed world? Probably, but maybe there's something even more impo…
OK, here's a stab at the traffic jam based on simply extrapolating current trends:
* Humans increasingly spend time on digital social experiences instead of real ones
* AIs become progressively better at socializing and pretty soon we have AI friends, boyfriends, girlfriends, partners etc. all over the place
* Our reproductive rate, already in decline, collapses to * A century from now the human population has shrunk by 85% and we've peacefully ceded enormous swathes of power and responsibility to AIs because there just aren't a lot of humans left
I think you could tell any number of fascinating slice-of-life stories with this backdrop, there was no war, no conflict, the AIs were generally helpful and friendly and patient through the whole thing, we simply decided as a species to commit the suicide which is already in progress and everyone has pretty much accepted that. It's the polar opposite of Skynet and the Terminator
It sounds like a dystopia to us - it may just sound like old history to the people and AIs of the year 2100. I'm in my 40s, I don't have kids and life is pretty good...
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What's the point?
The point of the film „Her”? Pretty sure you can look that up or watch the movie on your own. My point being, that it’s like someone reading Frankenstein and then thinking it would be a good idea to make a monster of their own.
I watched the movie. To me it was many thngs, and a cautionary tale was one of the weaker impressions.
Re: A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons
#394I still don't understand why people are building things on top of OpenAI's APIs. It's obvious that in the early days, they'll operate at a loss, with many free features and cheap premium features. It's a good time to try it out and see what it can do, but you can't build anything that relies on it, it's a rugpull waiting to happen. They'll add moderation, raise prices, and you'll have to do the same, your users will…
> It's obvious that in the early days, they'll operate at a loss, with many free features and cheap premium features. It's a good time to try it out and see what it can do, but you can't build anything that relies on it, it's a rugpull waiting to happen. So you make hay while the sun shines. And sure, you probably want a plan for after, but that shouldn't stop you from doing what works now.
It's very rare to make hay in the early days of your product, as is the case here.
You need growth and long-term vision, but you don't get those if you're building on top of an unstable giant who doesn't like people creating sexbots with their product.
But yeah, sometimes it works, high risk, high reward maybe.
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As respectfully as I can say this -- and I realize I am close to crossing a line here and I want to be very, very careful not to cross it -- but I don't get how anyone is having a problem understanding: when I offhandedly mentioned to WalterBright that I disagree with his assessment of HN's slant, that was NOT in any way an invitation to have a protracted debate where everyone complains about what they personally thi…
that was NOT in any way an invitation to have a protracted debate
I think there's something fundamental that you're failing to understand about how public forums work. Nobody has to ask you for an invitation.
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It's going to be an interesting century for sure. The human mind is simply not evolutionary adapted for what's coming up.
I can't help but think of those beetles that preferred a beer bottle over the bumpy carapace of an appropriate mate. https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/06/19/193493225/t...
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It's particularly terrifying when you think about how Facebook and others probably already have projects in the works to befriend children with AI. little kids who don't know the difference will become Weaponized with constant nudges towards whatever motives grant the corporate owners more power. The ability to persuade children is near infinite and we can observe in those who've grown up in cults/strict religious co…
There’s no way to separate them. Education is influencing someone towards things that we believe are true. If an educational AI believes that propaganda is true, then education and propaganda are the same thing.
Since the victors write the (history) books, it seems fair to say that most institutional education is mostly propaganda.
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And you think chronic, crippling loneliness can't make someone lose their will to live? If you don't know what tulpas are, there's an entire, fairly large online community of people willingly inducing schizophrenia in themselves just so they have an imaginary friend to talk to. Surely, AI companions would be a healthier alternative to that.
I think that opium doesn't cure loneliness.
I'm not sure your analogy applies here. Opioid substances aren't capable of producing persistent subjective improvement because the brain seems to have defense mechanisms against it that neuroscience has not yet found a way to bypass, but in the case of a sufficiently advanced AI companion, the brain would be receiving the exact same inputs as with a real partner.
With many people choosing not to reproduce, many currently existing relationships are already primarily a sort of recreational activity and are divorced from their evolutionary purpose. Replacing live partners with AIs would just take that one step further.
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That's how evolution works (?)
Yes, but as with stocks, past performance is no guarantee of future results. The fact that humanity as a species has survived past social shocks does not mean it's a certain thing we'll survive future ones. Our ancestors had much longer to adjust their societies for new technology than we're getting these days.
When talking about survival I would rather apply the Lindy Effect:
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The author doesn't appear to even consider any kind of obligation to their users.
I'm sorry you feel that way. The primary intention of writing this article was to discuss it from the perspective of a 'failed product,' so I didn't mention my personal feelings. I am also aware of the potential harm it could cause to users, which is why I don't resent OpenAI's review process. I hope that during the period without review, it didn't cause any psychological harm to users.
>so I didn't mention my personal feelings
That's a strange comment. The article is full of your personal feelings.
> But this paper gave me a different feeling,
> And I personally prefer subscription
> I don’t dislike this, as it aligns with human nature.
> However, I started to feel a sense of loss...what real significance did it hold for me?
> This further disheartened me,
> Reluctantly, I had to abandon the idea.