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A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons

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Re: A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons

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> But, does humanity really need an AI friend? This reminds me of the Fredrick Pohl line "A good science fiction story should be able to predict not the automobile but the traffic jam." So I wonder what the traffic jam is going to look like given that the car seems to already be parked outside with the engine running. Faster depopulation across the developed world? Probably, but maybe there's something even more impo…

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Re: A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons

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Quite genuinely, I don't think I've ever posted a comment on HN where I've expressed support for open, locally running LLMs and had it been downvoted. Am I missing something here? You want to point me to all of the articles where people criticize Huggingface? But regardless of how you interpret HN sentiment towards uncontrolled AI access, it doesn't change the fact that "what about the government" is a profoundly wei…

Not so much against open-source local LLMs, but you can bet those will be on the list for regulation as soon as they become as good as GPT4 is now. Meanwhile, here on HN, take a look at the recent story where someone uses 100 lines of Python to instantiate David Attenborough. You'd be burned as a witch if you built the system behind that demo 10 years ago, and you'd be treated as a God-level hacker if you built it 5…

...is the government planning on turning David Attenborough into a sex bot?

If not, is the David Attenborough thread closed or something? Are people not able to comment on it anymore?

Re: A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons

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> But, does humanity really need an AI friend? This reminds me of the Fredrick Pohl line "A good science fiction story should be able to predict not the automobile but the traffic jam." So I wonder what the traffic jam is going to look like given that the car seems to already be parked outside with the engine running. Faster depopulation across the developed world? Probably, but maybe there's something even more impo…

The thing that really depresses me is that many humans will become "AI friends". It's really hard to know exactly what to say in all social situations. Imagine if you could have a little AI whisper in your ear something witty to say? Extend that out and many conversations you have with human friends, you're really just having with an AI.

hmm but the more that's true, the more counter culture will be a thing no? places with EM jammers etc, no technology experiences.

that keeps me interested at least heh

Re: A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons

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Hm, let's try an extreme: the AI friend slowly becomes a cult leader to you, hijacking your mind into subservience to the owner of the service to which AI belongs, and further up some social/political hierarchy to a few controlling people/groups of people. The traffic jam is society stymied by individuals mind-controlled at a level closer to connection to a human than any other way possible before this.

Kinda feel like you have that backwards, why would an AI that sophisticated care about controlling your mind? Why would the group of people who control that AI care about you as anything other than a liability? What do they get out of manipulating average individuals? Votes? The scarier prospect to me is human labor and intelligence become almost worthless and those at the top start to view the masses as superfluous.

>human labor and intelligence become almost worthless...

I sure this is happening, and ot is finished in some region.

Re: A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons

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Interesting read. Others have also created virtual friends using ChatGPT. What I find unsavory, is OpenAI imposing content restrictions like NSFW. That can easily extend to censorship of non-PC content, unpopular political ideas, and more. The solution will (I hope) ultimately be open-source LLMs that you can run locally, on your own hardware.

> The solution will (I hope) ultimately be open-source LLMs that you can run locally, on your own hardware.

There are projects like llama.cpp https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp and koboldcpp: https://github.com/LostRuins/koboldcpp that can make running open source models pretty easy. As for where to find the models, you can look at HuggingFace for quite the selection, depending on what your needs are and what your hardware (CPU and RAM or GPU and VRAM, or both) can run: https://huggingface.co/models

I was actually curious about this, so I wrote a blog post on it: https://blog.kronis.dev/tutorials/self-hosting-an-ai-llm-cha... which wasn't anything too serious, in addition to formats like GGUF I think becoming more popular than GGML since. Things are moving ahead quite rapidly over there.

I guess it can also be easier to pay for something like NovelAI for those who want something for general purpose writing (including most NSFW stuff), but it wasn't exactly amazing for my needs. Despite the name, it wasn't great at prose enhancement: to take a dry sounding paragraph or two and rewrite it until I've found an additional expression or two to include instead, or a few sentence structures than work better. Kind of fun as a replacement for AI Dungeon or something like Character.AI, though.

Then again, the local models need expensive hardware to actually run well, if you want good results (somewhere above 20B parameters from what I've seen). I do wonder how much better the models that approach 200B would be for general text generation use cases, if the performance would actually be good. Even more so, when it comes to writing code, or all of the boring stuff like boilerplate/scaffolding code, utility functions, or even stubs for tests. ChatGPT, Phind and GitHub Copilot are all there, but could be even better.

Re: A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons

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I still don't understand why people are building things on top of OpenAI's APIs. It's obvious that in the early days, they'll operate at a loss, with many free features and cheap premium features. It's a good time to try it out and see what it can do, but you can't build anything that relies on it, it's a rugpull waiting to happen. They'll add moderation, raise prices, and you'll have to do the same, your users will…

> It's obvious that in the early days, they'll operate at a loss, with many free features and cheap premium features. It's a good time to try it out and see what it can do, but you can't build anything that relies on it, it's a rugpull waiting to happen.

So you make hay while the sun shines. And sure, you probably want a plan for after, but that shouldn't stop you from doing what works now.

Re: A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons

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You should not even try to create these sorts of technologies. Take a break from technology, spend time outdoors with plants and animals. These types of technologies will only lead to a worsening of this already sick society.

God forbid that ugly people get to have the same kinds of positive relationship experiences that attractive people get. I can’t believe how the moment that a technology comes out which gives incels real options it’s seen as being terrible for society. It’s awesome for society.

Plenty of ugly people do have those relationship experiences, all the time.

But I guess if something like this keeps incels from spree shootings then it's a net win for society.

Re: A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not so much against open-source local LLMs, but you can bet those will be on the list for regulation as soon as they become as good as GPT4 is now. Meanwhile, here on HN, take a look at the recent story where someone uses 100 lines of Python to instantiate David Attenborough. You'd be burned as a witch if you built the system behind that demo 10 years ago, and you'd be treated as a God-level hacker if you built it 5…

...is the government planning on turning David Attenborough into a sex bot? If not, is the David Attenborough thread closed or something? Are people not able to comment on it anymore?

The point is, a thread that should be full of technical conversation and speculation is full of pearl-clutching Karens calling for the government to step in. It refutes your point about HN being "skeptical of government regulation and control of AI" very effectively.

Of course, it's fallacious for either of us to refer to "HN" as if it were a monolithic bloc... but having spent some time in that thread, I have to wonder.

Re: A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons

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post #265

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Bullshit. Bill Gates can easily afford to make me unemployable, which destroys my life a lot more effectively than locking me up for a few days. Worst case I can move to a different country and get away from the cop, but that won't make me safe from Gates.

How can BG make you unemployable? Who has he done this to?

> How can BG make you unemployable?

- He could drag up and publicise something you wrote at some point and make you one of the "today's twitter main character" people. (Last I heard Justine Sacco was still unemployed). If he did this by paying a competent PR firm, you'd never know it wasn't just something that happened by coincidence

- He could get linkedin to quietly drop or deprioritise your job applications

- He could get outlook to quietly drop your emails, or mark them as spam, or show an unprofessional profile picture. You'd never know why you weren't being hired.

- He could put something bad on the "credit report" (different from your actual credit report, and no practical way to see it for yourself) that Experian etc. send to potential employers. Again you'd just silently not get hired and never know why

- Given the silicon valley wage-fixing scandal happened and the punishment was minimal, there's probably an old-school blacklist he could put you on if he was feeling retro

> Who has he done this to?

We don't know. Unlike governments, private entities have no accountability (as long as they have money to burn); investigative journalists aren't going after them, FOIA doesn't exist for them...

Re: A failed AI girlfriend product, and my lessons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

...is the government planning on turning David Attenborough into a sex bot? If not, is the David Attenborough thread closed or something? Are people not able to comment on it anymore?

The point is, a thread that should be full of technical conversation and speculation is full of pearl-clutching Karens calling for the government to step in. It refutes your point about HN being "skeptical of government regulation and control of AI" very effectively. Of course, it's fallacious for either of us to refer to "HN" as if it were a monolithic bloc... but having spent some time in that thread, I have to won…

> But regardless of how you interpret HN sentiment towards uncontrolled AI access, it doesn't change the fact that "what about the government" is a profoundly weird thing to ask in the middle of a conversation about people doing erotic roleplays with a text bot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the government is not producing AI-generated David Attenborough pornography, right? And if it's not, then... I don't know what to tell you, the thread is still open, I just checked. You can still post there and tell everyone that they're wrong.

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