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TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine
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Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s actually quite simple. Israel was out of Gaza for years prior to Oct 7. On Oct 7, Hamas targeted over 1.5 thousand civilians including babies and the aged for slaughter and kidnapping. Resulting in a military operation to suppress Hamas. So yes if your level of nuance on this is “Israel is hurting human rights, ceasefire now” and you are oblivious to who broke the ceasefire and how, then it’s not that different…
Can you identify data that supports your claim? Here’s a good site to start: https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/
Sure look at the chart in your link called people killed per year. That number was very low between 2014 and 2023 until the ceasefire was shatters by hamas this October
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#103Been remarkable to see various political commentators freak out about this, lunging to conspiracy theories that Tiktok is brainwashing people, then immediately pivot to attacking the US government for not being in control of its own brainwashing social media service. The polling is pretty clear. The public, especially the young public, has moved on this issue and is out of step with the positions of the elderly polit…
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> muslims' characteristic style of graphic violence
I think it's this type of rhetoric and thinking that young people are generally against. You malign an entire religion and call them violent. It's also hypocritical considering how many people the west has violently murdered.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
I totally hear you and think it's messed up too, but I'm not sure this line of argument makes sense. First, it's factually inapposite, because we don't have a bunch of disproportionately pro-Saudi American companies and billionaires trying to intimidate people speaking in favor of Yemeni civilians, considering ad blitzes to gaslight and obfuscate the issues, etc. We don't have a significant pro-Saudi bias in the medi…
What if that criticism isn't actually because of the conflict, but because of prejudices against one of the parties? There are strong anti-Islam and anti-Jewish forces at play. That sort of racism generally invalidates an argument.
So you believe that there is no valid basis to criticize Israel's actions here, and that anyone who is critical thereof must certainly be acting out of bigotry and you won't hear otherwise?
And nothing I pointed out about how differently the war in Yemen is situated in the Western consciousness (i.e. basically not at all) versus this one matters?
Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you identify data that supports your claim? Here’s a good site to start: https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/
Sure look at the chart in your link called people killed per year. That number was very low between 2014 and 2023 until the ceasefire was shatters by hamas this October
So is your argument that Palestinians should have been fine with hundreds of their people being killed by Israelis every year from 2015-2022, because it was less than the thousands of Palestinians killed by Israelis in 2014?
And furthermore that none of those deaths gave justification for the 1200 Israelis killed by Palestinians this year, but those deaths somehow justify the 10,000 Palestinians killed by Israelis this year?
Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
frankly, given the major media is in the tank for Israeli war crimes, I wouldn't care if TikTok was biased in the opposite direction, but they probably aren't. Youth are far more sympathetic to Palestine on nearly every survey.
Not to mention a lot of us are in the US, and the international perception of deliberately bombing a civilian population, turning off its water supply, etc., in retaliation for a terrorist attack (however brutal and big) is much more dim than most American media outlets and power-holders want people to believe. I think the rest of the world is looking at the situation a lot more realistically, and is fully aware that…
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
“I don’t think people should care about government funded genocide now, after all they didn’t care before” isn’t really the dunk you think it is.
How many civilians died in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan? Where were the protests? Israeli leadership is seen as right wing. If they were seen as left no one would even blink an eye. Obama was wholesale slaughtering people in 7 countries.
> How many civilians died in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan? Where were the protests?
There definitely fucking were protests against the Iraq war o_O
Really, for all of the examples you provided, the situation is either that a) our government wasn't among the bad actors or allied therewith (e.g. Syria--do you want people to protest ISIS or the Asad regime or something? What would be the point?); b) there were protests, and there was criticism, and there was condemnation, and you seem to be ignorant of them so you assume nobody else cared either
Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine
#108It’s not just young teens generally: my wife is involved in left-wing Jewish organizations in the United States and young Jews are increasingly more skeptical of Israel’s importance to their Jewish identity. I wouldn’t say it’s quite a majority at this point but it’s a sizable enough chunk that they’re starting to become noticed by mainstream media outlets.
The least isreal supporting senator in the USA is coincidentally the only ethnically Jewish one as well, Bernie Sanders. The Jewish left has always been isreal skeptic, including the Jewish left within isreal.
Makes sense, the skeptics went to the new world, the believers to the promised land. Glad to have the skeptics on the team.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to mention a lot of us are in the US, and the international perception of deliberately bombing a civilian population, turning off its water supply, etc., in retaliation for a terrorist attack (however brutal and big) is much more dim than most American media outlets and power-holders want people to believe. I think the rest of the world is looking at the situation a lot more realistically, and is fully aware that…
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> make no mistake, supporting palestinians is not really different from supporting the evil of the Oct 7th attac
Yeah this is morally reprehensible and idiotic.
If you can't see why, then I guess you can keep scratching your head and wondering why more and more people are adopting precisely the view you hate, and pretending that it's TikTok's "fault" people are being "manipulated" or "brainwashed", as opposed to realizing it's because when you say stuff like that, it may make you one of the bad guys, and people might rightly disagree.
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#110How could any empathic person not be pro-5.2 million refugees? Downvote me to death, I don't care, but have the courage to explain why you're downvoting.
I had assumed initially that when you were referring to the sympathetic refugee population, you were referring to the Palestinians.