Live data from Hacker News

Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

twitter.com

441–450 of 518 posts

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

#441
post #123
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was actually a great move. Unusual, but it goes with the mission and nonprofit idea. I think it was designed to draw attention and stir controversy on purpose.

Is it a winning move though? The biggest loser in this seems to be the company that was bankrolling their endeavor, Microsoft.

[dead]

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

#442
post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is quite gauche for a company to burn bridges with their upper management. This bodes poorly for ever hoping to attract executives in the future. Even Bobby Kotick got a more graceful farewell from Activision Blizzard, where they tried to clear his name. It is only prudent business. Certainly, this is very immature. It wouldn't be out of context in HBO's Succession. Whether what happened is right or just in some s…

People get fired all the time: suddenly, too. If I got fired by my company tomorrow, they wouldn't treat me with kid gloves, they'd just end my livelihood like it was nothing. I'd probably find out when I couldn't log in. Why should "upper management" get a graceful farewell? We don't have royalty in the USA. One person is not inherently better than another.

> Why should "upper management" get a graceful farewell

Injustices are made to executives all the time. But airing dirty laundry is not sagacious.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

#443
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now that is a theory that actually adds up with the facts (whether true or not)

Brockman immediately said "don't worry, great things are coming", which also seems to line up.

What doesn't line up is Brockman saying they're still trying to figure out why it happened.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

#444
post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. We’re also not open sourcing DNA from viruses, how to build nuclear weapons or 3D printing weapons. I think there is an argument to be made that not every powerful LLM should be open source. But yes- maybe we’re worried about nothing. On the other hand, these tools can easily spread misinformation, increase animosity, etc, Even in todays world. I come from the medical field, and we make risk-analyses there to…

Huh? We absolutely have open source virus genome sequences and 3D printed gun plans.

Fair point. I think the thrust of the argument still stands. Open source is generally a fantastic principle but it has its limits. I.e. we probably shouldn't open source bomb designs or superviruses.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

#445
post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ousting sama and gdb over something as petty as a simple strategy disagreement A fundamental inability to align on what, on a fundamental level, the mission set out in the charter of a 501(c)(3) charity means in real world terms is not "a simple strategy disagreement"; moreover, the existence of a factional dispute over that doesn't mean that there weren't serious specific conduct that occurred in the context of th…

The board questioned his “candid”-ness. This was not a difference of opinion on strategy.

Unless the board perceived his actions to be more in line with a different strategy than communicated.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

#446
post #376

Some weeks ago, I listened to a Bloomberg interview with Altman where he was joined by someone from OpenAI who does the programming. There was obvious disagreement between the two, and the interviewer actually made a joke about it. Perhaps Altman was destined to become the next SBF. Too much misrepresentation to the public, telling people what they want to hear..

Can you please try to recall and link to the interview? I'd love to see it.

I listened to that and I'm pretty sure it was this [0] interview with the WSJ, Altman, and Mira Murati. If I'm wrong about that, well, it's still of interest given Mira Murati just took over running OpenAI.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byYlC2cagLw

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

#447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. We’re also not open sourcing DNA from viruses, how to build nuclear weapons or 3D printing weapons. I think there is an argument to be made that not every powerful LLM should be open source. But yes- maybe we’re worried about nothing. On the other hand, these tools can easily spread misinformation, increase animosity, etc, Even in todays world. I come from the medical field, and we make risk-analyses there to…

Actually the genome for viruses, and bacteria, does seem to be open. Here is an FTP server where you can download a bunch of different diseases. https://ftp.ncbi.nih.gov/genomes/genbank/

That's true. There are many other viruses that we don't publish for good reasons though.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

#448
post #429
post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can '/s' after straw man sneak the message across?

I am strawmanning effective altruism in the same way that effective altruism strawmans just plain old altruism.

Ha, that's brilliantly put. I think the fundamental idea of EA is perfectly sound, but then instead of just being basic advice (for when 'doing altruism') it's somehow a cult?

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

#449
post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The downfall of Nokia phones was seeded in it’s management culture. After one message from their CEO Elop Osbourned the market for Nokia phones faster than you can say ”burning raft”, the house of cards built on top of strong early brand history and increasingly commodotized radio technology, Micrsoft basically paid billions for an offering that would have required a heroic&legendary pivot (would have been possible w…

N9 was a work of art. Fuck Elop.

> Fuck Elop

It wasn't Elop who drove Nokia to the state it was in 2009. "Burning Platform" is from 2011.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35030334

Post reply on HN