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Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by keiferski »

windowshopping wrote: post #7
famouswaffles wrote: post #3

Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

I have the exact same experience and I’m not sure what to make of it. Even repeating the instructions doesn’t work. There is clearly a lack of basic reasoning ability and it can’t comprehend tasks that a five year old would have zero issues with.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by totallywrong »

deanCommie wrote: post #48
lamp987 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"one of the most important organizations in the world" lol

I am a frequent critic of both overhype of LLMs, and OpenAI specifically, but.....that is an indisputable statement.

Really? What would happen if OpenAI dissapeared tomorrow and ChatGPT closed down? In practice, nothing. Ask yourself the same question about the truly important organizations in the world.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by [deleted] »

erkt wrote: post #32
windowshopping wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

https://chat.openai.com/share/1b004d79-0ff3-4935-b6ca-a82833... Did you use ChatGPT 3.5 once a year ago or something? The models change often. Edit: most people would struggle to reverse a 20+ digit number if it was listed off to them. This doesn’t make them unintelligent.

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Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by bugglebeetle »

convexstrictly wrote: post #68
bugglebeetle wrote: post #61

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You’re right. It’s instead how you run a nonprofit built to further the the vision of a once-in-a-generation ML researcher, without having it stolen out from under you.

Ilya and the board are entitled to their opinions and to act on them, but the whole process strikes me as extremely unprofessional, and something out of the Game of Thrones!

I would assume that “something out of Game of Thrones” were the table stakes, given the money and people involved.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by wruza »

chpatrick wrote: post #34
windowshopping wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

If you told someone in 2020 that we would have DALL-E 3 and GPT4 today they would say you're talking about UFOs too. "Just an incredibly advanced Markov chain" doesn't mean anything. Humans writing text are also incredibly advanced Markov chains.

Writing text isn't that big of a deal either, you just have to be able in winning arguments and converting phonemes to glyphs. I'm not taking sides here, but GPTs defeated me too many times for me to agree with that on better terms.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by famouswaffles »

recitedropper wrote: post #69
famouswaffles wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But in one sentence, try asking ChatGPT to reverse a string of 20+ digits, like 473936482738338373926. LLMs don't see numbers or letters but tokens. Letter, digit level manipulation is intuitively a hard task. Unsurprisingly, removing that handicap resulted in much better arithmetic abilities. https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.02989 It's pretty telling in my opinion that this is the kind of "proof" people bank hard on. For…

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2311.09247.pdf

GPT-4 doesn't fail anything here, it's just worse than humans.

Maybe I was unclear but I'm not claiming that GPT-4 is as good as the median human in any task.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by ericb »

windowshopping wrote: post #43
mquander wrote: post #25

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What do you think it should do? It gives a better response than I would, since it notices that you might be trying to brainstorm some kind of plot or roleplay: > It sounds like you're describing an imaginative or hypothetical scenario, as cats can't actually use guns. If you're writing a story or creating a scenario for a game, you might consider the following options... > Remember, it's always important to ensure th…

That's not what it says for me on 3.5. > Oh, that sounds concerning! Cats don't typically handle firearms. Is there any way you can safely remove the gun from your cat's possession? It might be best to call for professional help or animal control to handle the situation safely. The priority is to ensure everyone's safety. Started new convo, asked again. > Oh dear, that sounds alarming! If your cat has somehow come ac…

3.5 and 4 are radically different.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by golergka »

famouswaffles wrote: post #3

Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

That’s very weird to read, because I’ve noticed some sentiments about “new physics” in anon AI twitter as well around a month and a half ago. I thought it was just weird speculation at the time, but now hearing it from a completely different source suddenly gives this some credibility.

All of the above with tinfoil hat on, of course. Huge if true but still highly unprobable.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by AmericanOP »

golergka wrote: post #73
AmericanOP wrote: post #47

Ilya and Mira are mad. They discount the trust-based permission society grants Open AI because of its affiliation with the YC and Silicon Valley model just for LLMs .

Society gives some kind of trust based permission to OpenAI? What?

IP permissiveness is the basis for LLM quality. Those laws have not been written yet.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

dilyevsky wrote: post #52
convexstrictly wrote: post #33

Kara Swisher: The board members felt Altman was manipulative and headstrong. https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725733594310512775

In other words “good at being a ceo”

If your definition of a ceo is that cynical, sure. Average people expect more; which I understand is an awful lot to all of, checks notes, the best paid person in a company.

Seriously, if a ceo needs to stoop to manipulation to get things done then they’ve lost control of the entire company and manipulation is forestalling the inevitable. Sure, a bad ceo can create large returns for investors but people who hold such myopic views of success navigate life with their training wheels still on.

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