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Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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This is no way to run an $80B company! This thread was detached. I was referring to https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725736242137182594

You’re right. It’s instead how you run a nonprofit built to further the the vision of a once-in-a-generation ML researcher, without having it stolen out from under you.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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What do you think it should do? It gives a better response than I would, since it notices that you might be trying to brainstorm some kind of plot or roleplay: > It sounds like you're describing an imaginative or hypothetical scenario, as cats can't actually use guns. If you're writing a story or creating a scenario for a game, you might consider the following options... > Remember, it's always important to ensure th…

That's not what it says for me on 3.5. > Oh, that sounds concerning! Cats don't typically handle firearms. Is there any way you can safely remove the gun from your cat's possession? It might be best to call for professional help or animal control to handle the situation safely. The priority is to ensure everyone's safety. Started new convo, asked again. > Oh dear, that sounds alarming! If your cat has somehow come ac…

So you're not even using what is the public state of the art and much better than everything else to make sweeping statements on what LLMs are or are not capable of ? Lol

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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What do you think it should do? It gives a better response than I would, since it notices that you might be trying to brainstorm some kind of plot or roleplay: > It sounds like you're describing an imaginative or hypothetical scenario, as cats can't actually use guns. If you're writing a story or creating a scenario for a game, you might consider the following options... > Remember, it's always important to ensure th…

That's not what it says for me on 3.5. > Oh, that sounds concerning! Cats don't typically handle firearms. Is there any way you can safely remove the gun from your cat's possession? It might be best to call for professional help or animal control to handle the situation safely. The priority is to ensure everyone's safety. Started new convo, asked again. > Oh dear, that sounds alarming! If your cat has somehow come ac…

Why do people always try to argue "The tech can't do [X]" by taking examples from old versions of the tech, instead of the SOTA? It's obviously misleading, but are you being intentionally dishonest? What is the reasoning here in using the output of an older model to argue why an architecture can't do a specific thing?

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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"it's interesting that someone with a 2014 bachelor's and a 2021 master's, with no experience other than a few years as a low-level employee at Open Philanthropy and then a strategy position at a Georgetown center, somehow leapfrogged onto the board of one of the most important organizations in the world." https://twitter.com/stuartbuck1/status/1725695721729380357

"one of the most important organizations in the world" lol

This is like saying that Jeff Bezos leapfrogged into being the CEO of one of the biggest and most successful startups in the world.

Maybe he had something to do with it? Maybe, just maybe, it didn't just randomly happened to him.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Based on Ilya's comments [1] it sounds like it was more about a disagreement around the original non-profit mission, and making sure that AI benefited all of humanity. Perhaps Ilya felt Sam was focusing too much on profit and power with his recent world tour and then dev day? Regardless, it's certainly rare, for one of the core scientists to maintain control over their creation, rather than the other way around. Typi…

It would be weird for this sort of disagreement to reach a feverpitch that would see the CEO sacked without some much better model in the background though. Like Dev Day was characterized as "too far". How ? How is that interfering with the mission to benefit all humanity? It's all very weird.

How is profit-sharing chatgpt stores benefiting humanity?

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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This coup is badly executed though. OpenAI’s reputation is hurt irreparably Maybe it is a good thing now other companies can finally have a window to catch up

>This coup is badly executed though I've seen this language used a few times now. A company's CEO is appointed by, and serves the goals of the board. Not the other way around. When the board perceives that the CEO isn't doing this, they can fire him. That's neither metaphorically or literally a coup. Especially bad narrative in this case because openAI has given itself a charter (and legal structure that subjects the…

It will be viewed this way by the public, and media, and yes me.

Unless they can bring solid evidence of Sam has some irredeemable misconduct to the table. Otherwise, this is exactly what a coup is, a grab of power, with the current power center, not knowing about it.

The board needs to explain themselves immediately, if they think this is idealogical disagreement, they should come clean, and tell us so. Not some nefarious language on Sam's candidance.

I am nobody, just a user of OpenAI's API. However, if this is how the current management structure functions in OpenAI, I will have serious concern over OpenAI's ability to execute next.

The exit of talents is now destined, OpenAI as a company is hurt irreparably.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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This is no way to run an $80B company! This thread was detached. I was referring to https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725736242137182594

You’re right. It’s instead how you run a nonprofit built to further the the vision of a once-in-a-generation ML researcher, without having it stolen out from under you.

Ilya and the board are entitled to their opinions and to act on them, but the whole process strikes me as extremely unprofessional, and something out of the Game of Thrones!

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

>But in one sentence, try asking ChatGPT to reverse a string of 20+ digits, like 473936482738338373926. LLMs don't see numbers or letters but tokens. Letter, digit level manipulation is intuitively a hard task. Unsurprisingly, removing that handicap resulted in much better arithmetic abilities. https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.02989 It's pretty telling in my opinion that this is the kind of "proof" people bank hard on. For…

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2311.09247.pdf

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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The line for AGI used to be the Turing Test. But we blew past that with current models without even blinking and came up with new requirements because we weren’t ready to call something AGI yet.

I just don't think they've come up with a definition of what AGI even is. Like, ChatGPT can do a lot, but it has no preferences, no desires, no memories, no feelings, no creativity. It's a text output calculated based on a text input combined with other text inputs. It's an extremely impressive piece of technology. But that is not a mind, that is not a consciousness. What even is AGI, really? I've been arguing with v…

Paper from two weeks ago by Google DeepMind putting together a very good definition that I haven't seen anyone in the field disagree with yet: https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.02462
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