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Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Meanwhile, statement from the Union: https://www.arbetaren.se/2023/11/13/if-metall-strejkkassan-r... "Our strike fund is enough to keep this up for 500 years."

On one hand, that is epic. On the other hand, it means the union has leached a monumental amount of capital out of the workers and industries they are involved with. A union should not have that much cash in the bank.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Good for them. I love to see workers uniting. In this increasingly globalized world, each country is still different. You can't expect swedish workers to accept that you treat them like american workers just because your company is big. I really like this part: > Even postal workers will stop delivering mail to Tesla

It's crazy what average folks can do when they collectively own the means of production.

They don't, of course. But solidarity goes a long way.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Good for them. I love to see workers uniting. In this increasingly globalized world, each country is still different. You can't expect swedish workers to accept that you treat them like american workers just because your company is big. I really like this part: > Even postal workers will stop delivering mail to Tesla

It's crazy what average folks can do when they collectively own the means of production.

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Edit: deleting my comment. didn't add much value to the conversation.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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This illustrates how ridiculously overvalued Tesla is.

Not really, gdp is a snapshot of current activity, but the market cap is a guess of the amount of money the company will throw off in total, adjusted for time and risk.

Market cap is not that at all, that's why Twitter's market cap was 44B and now undefined because its not on the market.

Market cap is the price of the last share trade times total number of shares. Company's current performance and prospects don't really change that much from day to day but you can have large market cap changes because what you are observing is just live betting.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Very cool seeing what's possible with strong unions.

So fake EV (PHEV) Volvos that send profits to China and gas profits to MBS will keep the upper hand in Sweden perpetuating the climate crisis on-ramp. Very cool /s

Well then Tesla should treat their workers better so this doesn't happen. So rude of them.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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How does that even work? I am, and should be, free to not show up to work for any reason I choose. If I'm legally required to work, isn't that forced labor?

"If I'm legally required to work, isn't that forced labor?" Not if you signed a contract declaring that you will show up. So a strike is in one way organised contract breaching - but one that is allowed under certain circumstances under the bigger contract, the state laws (which you accept by being in that state).

> Not if you signed a contract declaring that you will show up.

Yes, even then. A contract violation is not a violation of law. My question is about it being illegal.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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I don't actually agree with unions, but not for the "usual" reasons. Unions are a scotch-tape fix to a broken economic system, which gives enormous powers to the capitalistic class at the expense of all others. The correct solution is to fix the actual system. All large companies should be by constitutional law (controlling) majority owned 1/n by their workers. All this exploitation will disappear because workers wil…

Nah, the workers will exploit each other. Win / win!

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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There's no reason to use that term.

Not insulting people that disagree with you and need the work is a good reason. Even as a frenchmen, I don't think strikes are sacred.

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Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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What's the argument for how unions benefit both parties? What do unions do to benefit the employer?

I'm actually curious about how the union would benefit these mechanics. How is their current treatment by Tesla deemed inadequate?

In Sweden most of what you would consider basic labor law/protection is left up to negotiated contracts. Almost all sectors all unionized.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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I mean, if unions are cartels, then so are corporate boards.

Unions span across corporations within business sectors whereas corporate boards do not.

Well, i have something you might want to hear about. It's called investment funds and weirdly competition between companies started to fall as investment fund rose up. They also are present at a lot of different director board or committees.
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