Very cool seeing what's possible with strong unions.
So fake EV (PHEV) Volvos that send profits to China and gas profits to MBS will keep the upper hand in Sweden perpetuating the climate crisis on-ramp.
Very cool /s
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#32What's the argument for how unions benefit both parties? What do unions do to benefit the employer?
The employer benefits the employer. The union benefits the employee, thus providing a balance in the power between employer and employee.
This is the theory. In America, the union benefits the union first, the employee second, and the employer a very distant third if at all.
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#33Important context which I could not find mentioned in TFA: A key reason for the sympathy strikes is that Tesla brought in scabs which is a big no-no in Scandinavian labor markets.
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#34Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move
#35What's the argument for how unions benefit both parties? What do unions do to benefit the employer?
Sadly, HN isn't a place to ask questions about second-order effects in politics anymore. Unions are basically legal cartels / mafias, and people will honestly think there are no effects on labour markets, prices or employment and everything is pure upside, wealth generated out of thin air.
> everything is pure upside, wealth generated out of thin air.
Isn't this also how companies perceive job cuts and wage reduction? Forget about Henry Ford's idea of having a population that can actually afford to buy your products, just keep cutting labor costs.
Edit: Or stock buybacks. Just as long as "the line goes up" for now doesn't matter if you run the whole ship into the ground in the future.
Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move
#36Important context which I could not find mentioned in TFA: A key reason for the sympathy strikes is that Tesla brought in scabs which is a big no-no in Scandinavian labor markets.
What is a scab? (not the wound)
Also, in less derogatory terms, "strikebreaker":
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly, HN isn't a place to ask questions about second-order effects in politics anymore. Unions are basically legal cartels / mafias, and people will honestly think there are no effects on labour markets, prices or employment and everything is pure upside, wealth generated out of thin air.
I mean, if unions are cartels, then so are corporate boards.
Unions span across corporations within business sectors whereas corporate boards do not.
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#38Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move
#39Meanwhile, statement from the Union: https://www.arbetaren.se/2023/11/13/if-metall-strejkkassan-r...
"Our strike fund is enough to keep this up for 500 years."
Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move
#40What's the argument for how unions benefit both parties? What do unions do to benefit the employer?
The employer benefits the employer. The union benefits the employee, thus providing a balance in the power between employer and employee.
They had to sell of Volvo to Ford and then it got resold to China, so maybe there are cracks in the benefits.