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De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by dmitrygr »

waythenewsgoes wrote: post #57
magnio wrote: post #53

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but how on earth did the EU pass a regulation[0] with such far-reaching implications? First Apple opening up to third-party app stores and RCS, now Microsoft giving users a bit more leeway. How come none of the big tech lobby against it in the EU? If it survives the waves of appeals, the DMA will probably change the entire technology landscape in the near future. Not that I'm complaining…

I would imagine they did lobby against this, likely fighting tooth and nail legally. However I do not think the EU is as easily swayed, especially as EU regulators are generally skeptical of the business practices of large US multinationals. IMO, and possibly objectively, the EU is generally more pro-competition and pro-privacy, it is also much harder to buy out politicians due to the parties being really fragmented…

> and pro-privacy

Are we talking about the same EU that is currently attempting to ban encryption?

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Post by midasuni »

jasonjayr wrote: post #59
anon25783 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A website run by a large corporation is very different from a store run by Jane. Jane does not have thousands or millions of people coming into her store, and she also is not selling CCTV footage from her store to advertising companies. We would be rightly outraged if she was. She also probably isn't sharing customer details or security footage with government authorities unless her store has been robbed or something…

Probably? * Using Quickbooks Online? they market/sell that data. * using ADT for payroll? They market/sell employee salary information. * Using Ring for security? they freely share video with LEO * etc, etc. All these services that SMB's use already have their fingers in the pie.

Those big multinationals are abusing their position I agree. I’d like to see those practices banned, HN wouldn’t because half of HN relies of predatory activities to pay their rent

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Post by cydodon »

dmitrygr wrote: post #211
waythenewsgoes wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine they did lobby against this, likely fighting tooth and nail legally. However I do not think the EU is as easily swayed, especially as EU regulators are generally skeptical of the business practices of large US multinationals. IMO, and possibly objectively, the EU is generally more pro-competition and pro-privacy, it is also much harder to buy out politicians due to the parties being really fragmented…

> and pro-privacy Are we talking about the same EU that is currently attempting to ban encryption?

"The" EU is not a monolithic thing, there are liberal and conservative factions. Depending on the topic the resulting consensus can move quite a bit on that spectrum...

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by askonomm »

zamadatix wrote: post #60
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulators didn't enforce cookie banners. Cookie banners are a form of malicious compliance. When you complain about them, you are doing the lobbying work of ad companies for free. The correct solution is to just not spy on people, and the problem is that the EU didn't go far enough and just ban the behavior altogether.

The rules are really surprisingly encouraging about notification of cookies to the point it's quite easy to legitimately need to notify and gain consent about something non-spying related requires consent. E.g. if you have a UI customization cookie which sets the results density preference and you want to store that more than a session (i.e. it should still save for a month later) then the official EU analysis of thi…

Last I read the law, any cookie used for the functioning of the site, and not for the tracking of the user, is perfectly fine without a cookie banner.

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Post by weinzierl »

BlarfMcFlarf wrote: post #171
magnio wrote: post #53

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but how on earth did the EU pass a regulation[0] with such far-reaching implications? First Apple opening up to third-party app stores and RCS, now Microsoft giving users a bit more leeway. How come none of the big tech lobby against it in the EU? If it survives the waves of appeals, the DMA will probably change the entire technology landscape in the near future. Not that I'm complaining…

Because while corruption* is still rampant in the EU, it’s not at least directly protected by the constitution like in the USA, so occasionally some legislation that benefits normal folks over megacorporations manages to sneak through. *also known as lobbying with so much money you can buy millions of times as much “free” speech as everyone else.

It's not about "benefits normal folks" at all, but about keeping foreign competition at arms length while fostering EU companies.

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Post by sveme »

dmitrygr wrote: post #211
waythenewsgoes wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine they did lobby against this, likely fighting tooth and nail legally. However I do not think the EU is as easily swayed, especially as EU regulators are generally skeptical of the business practices of large US multinationals. IMO, and possibly objectively, the EU is generally more pro-competition and pro-privacy, it is also much harder to buy out politicians due to the parties being really fragmented…

> and pro-privacy Are we talking about the same EU that is currently attempting to ban encryption?

That's been put down by the EU parliament. But yes, the EU is definitely not a single entity with a single position on things.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by episteme »

microtonal wrote: post #166
aorth wrote: post #106

Fantastic! How do we get access to this "European" version of Windows 11? Asking for Europeans who don't live in Europe, and for non-Europeans everywhere who want less Bing, Edge, and upselling in their OS.

I know that this is hard. But the end solution is not installing European Windows versions, but fixing government, especially curtailing lobbying, campaign funding, etc. And break the narrative 'market is everything, government is the enemy' that is so common in the US. Some regulation is good, it makes the market fairer to everyone.

Hard, impractical, incredibly slow and high chance of failure. Sounds like maybe installing an EU version is reasonable in comparison.

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Post by Sakos »

dmitrygr wrote: post #211
waythenewsgoes wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine they did lobby against this, likely fighting tooth and nail legally. However I do not think the EU is as easily swayed, especially as EU regulators are generally skeptical of the business practices of large US multinationals. IMO, and possibly objectively, the EU is generally more pro-competition and pro-privacy, it is also much harder to buy out politicians due to the parties being really fragmented…

> and pro-privacy Are we talking about the same EU that is currently attempting to ban encryption?

Unfortunately, yes. Despite that, they haven't yet passed anything that undermines encryption and they've passed plenty that helps protect privacy.

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Post by pavlov »

gloosx wrote: post #187

I remember the first time I used a Windows system last year after tens of years on Linux/OSX, and it was really a somewhat strange experience: the moment I connected the ethernet cable I was instantly looking at random flashy news articles from another part of the world. Not in the browser, not in some kind of "News" app, but right in my taskbar! The most amazing part is that I did not even have to click on it – the…

> "the system carefully opened it for me to delight me with some low-quality not-even-local news"

To be fair, Apple does this exact same thing on their operating system. On a freshly installed iPhone, swipe right at the home screen. It takes you to the widget screen which is loaded by default with Apple News showing random junk.

Microsoft deserves the flak for turning Windows 11 into a billboard, but Apple isn't immune to this either.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by hurril »

pavlov wrote: post #219
gloosx wrote: post #187

I remember the first time I used a Windows system last year after tens of years on Linux/OSX, and it was really a somewhat strange experience: the moment I connected the ethernet cable I was instantly looking at random flashy news articles from another part of the world. Not in the browser, not in some kind of "News" app, but right in my taskbar! The most amazing part is that I did not even have to click on it – the…

> "the system carefully opened it for me to delight me with some low-quality not-even-local news" To be fair, Apple does this exact same thing on their operating system. On a freshly installed iPhone, swipe right at the home screen. It takes you to the widget screen which is loaded by default with Apple News showing random junk. Microsoft deserves the flak for turning Windows 11 into a billboard, but Apple isn't immu…

But they don't do the exact same thing at all. One comes preloaded with apps you didn't choose and news or ads right on the task bar. Apple does none of that.
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