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The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by talldatethrow »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #147
talldatethrow wrote: post #146

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Most teachers I know, and I know several because I've been in a relationship with one for a while now, are basically doing a disservice to children. I hear their stories and all I can think is "you shouldn't be a teacher, you're hurting these kids chance at learning". Even the girl I'm dating sounds like a terrible teacher but what am I supposed to do about that. Not everyone can be good at their job. There is basica…

Something tells me you have no clue how to teach.

I have 16 years of experience being taught to, at a high level and succeeding at it. My GF has 5 years of experience teaching, and being totally oblivious to her performance.

She showed me her kindle recently. Proud she had read 37 books on it in 2 years. All fiction. Zero books about children or teaching. Wonders why she loses control of every classroom after about 3 months and suffers til the end of the school year.

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

talldatethrow wrote: post #150
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #149

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Funny, in my experience many people think the same thing of those who espouse the 'societal value' of volunteering to kill people in iraq, especially over society-benefitting professions like teaching and medicine.

I don't deny there are good teachers, I was lucky enough to have a few. I'm just saying that there is a decent amount of teachers that are doing a disservice to kids by not getting out of the way and letting the good teachers have a shot. But hey, she wants a Tesla and there's a union, so Johny must suffer.

I'm not necessarily denying that there are good people who chose to go kill people in iraq, I'm lucky enough to know a few. Many were brainwashed into thinking their choice would be heroic, perhaps some sort of revenge for 9/11, or a mission to find WMDs, instead of a cost to their country.

I'm just saying there are a decent amount of soldiers who aren't providing more of a value to society than those who chose to go into teaching and medicine (you keep conveniently leaving medicine out. Curious.) Especially when you consider what their presence in iraq cost society.

But hey, Cletus wants to shoot guns! Pew pew! So little Johnny must suffer reduced education to fund Cletus's overseas armed escapades.

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by Protostome »

hnbad wrote: post #120
Protostome wrote: post #118

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They consider themselves freedom fighters, because the notion of freedom is totally different for them. Freedom doesn't include being gay, a woman with actual rights, a minority that's not a muslim and so on. Moreover, their historical narrative is twisted to fit their objective - the creation of a wold-wide califate. So yes, when freedom is based and defined by this narrative, you could call them freedom fighters.

Sure, this describes the ideological core of Islamist groups like Al Qaeda. But this also ignores the power dynamics they exist and flourish in. The problem with "freedom fighters" is that they can be both: they can be fighting for freedom while also fighting for the right to subjugate others. The latter is often accepted if the desire for the former is strong enough. Dropping bombs on people lowers the threshold for…

I completely agree, however, there's one thing in the core of their ideology that's different than the typical US/western european capitalism - their moral compass is absolute, derived from the Quran.

It means basically, that there's very little wiggle room, you can't really negotiate with someone who believes he/she acts on orders from a divine entity.

That's why the Israeli-Palestinian conflict remains unsolved for so many years ...

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by enterprise_cog »

talldatethrow wrote: post #151
enterprise_cog wrote: post #147

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Something tells me you have no clue how to teach.

I have 16 years of experience being taught to, at a high level and succeeding at it. My GF has 5 years of experience teaching, and being totally oblivious to her performance. She showed me her kindle recently. Proud she had read 37 books on it in 2 years. All fiction. Zero books about children or teaching. Wonders why she loses control of every classroom after about 3 months and suffers til the end of the school year…

I have experience being operated on, therefore I am a surgeon.

You also realize she has had the same amount of “being taught to” right?

Your disdain for your GF is pretty sad too.

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by kyruzic »

topato wrote: post #91
beebmam wrote: post #47

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> Dropping bombs on innocent civilians in a third world country Is this really what political analysis has stooped to on HN in 2023? A total abdication of any attempt at nuance, or framing, or examining underlying intentions. Such a shame.

I'm starting to think there needs to be a "born post 9/11' disclaimer, as I believe living through that period, while remaining acutely aware of what happened in the Middle East during that period, is where the nuance originates

I was alive during 9/11 and my dad was in Iraq as contractor for the US military.

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by talldatethrow »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #154
talldatethrow wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have 16 years of experience being taught to, at a high level and succeeding at it. My GF has 5 years of experience teaching, and being totally oblivious to her performance. She showed me her kindle recently. Proud she had read 37 books on it in 2 years. All fiction. Zero books about children or teaching. Wonders why she loses control of every classroom after about 3 months and suffers til the end of the school year…

I have experience being operated on, therefore I am a surgeon. You also realize she has had the same amount of “being taught to” right? Your disdain for your GF is pretty sad too.

She was taught to as long as I was, but she was a poor student so I assume she didn't pay much attention to her teachers nor the coursework.

Hey, even the worlds worst teacher has a bf or a husband. Is he supposed to think she's amazing just because he enjoys spending time with her doing other things?

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by talldatethrow »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #152
talldatethrow wrote: post #150

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I don't deny there are good teachers, I was lucky enough to have a few. I'm just saying that there is a decent amount of teachers that are doing a disservice to kids by not getting out of the way and letting the good teachers have a shot. But hey, she wants a Tesla and there's a union, so Johny must suffer.

I'm not necessarily denying that there are good people who chose to go kill people in iraq, I'm lucky enough to know a few. Many were brainwashed into thinking their choice would be heroic, perhaps some sort of revenge for 9/11, or a mission to find WMDs, instead of a cost to their country. I'm just saying there are a decent amount of soldiers who aren't providing more of a value to society than those who chose to go…

If you want to be educated, you can do it it home.. probably better than listening to average public school teachers. If you want the world to be safe, thats pretty hard to do from home. So I believe the soldier is giving you something you couldn't get without him... Safety.

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Post by _l219 »

xwdv wrote: post #144
huggingmouth wrote: post #139

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Wow. What if it were your children, xwdv? What if your children were the ones being shot and blown up to get those "terrorists"? Would you still think that it's okay since your children "just happened to be in the way"? No wonder those people hold you accountable.

My children would simply not be in the way.

My god this is an ignorant take. They were lucky to be born in a safe country. I am happy for them. Children do not choose where they are born. They did not choose to be in the way.

I was gonna stay neutral in my wording but it irritates me how war crimes can just be brushed away with “Well, they should’ve just been born in ‘Murica instead”

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Post by grunka_lunka »

_l219 wrote: post #158
xwdv wrote: post #144

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My children would simply not be in the way.

My god this is an ignorant take. They were lucky to be born in a safe country. I am happy for them. Children do not choose where they are born. They did not choose to be in the way. I was gonna stay neutral in my wording but it irritates me how war crimes can just be brushed away with “Well, they should’ve just been born in ‘Murica instead”

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Post by nverno »

jjgreen wrote: post #115
nverno wrote: post #26

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No, I think it's pretty clear what a terrorist does - target civilians on purpose. But, terrorists can certainly be freedom fighters as well or vice versa.

I think it's pretty clear what a terrorist does - target civilians on purpose. So Hiroshima: the US is terrorist, Gaza: Israel is terrorist, etc etc

Yea, I think that's probably fair [[although I don't really know enough about those situations to judge them]]
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