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Are you saying that the 30% children are also terrorists?
No, I’m saying terrorists are the intended targets and children just happen to be in the way.
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If you are inconsistent in your stated motivations, it means you are a liar and your statements are suspect.
So what's the inconsistency? The english text of letter to americans is full of religious shortcommings of US (He's basically complaining in oh so many words that the US is not governed under religious islamic law)
Im saying it is a problem if the "presentation" is adapted to have inconsistent or contradictory messages based on the target audience. Surely you would agree that is an indication of propaganda, opposed to a true statement of belief.
Once you agree that, then the question is if different Al-Qaeda statements are consistent across different audiences.
The US letter answers(Q1) "Why are we fighting and opposing you?" Bin Laden gives about 30 reasons, none of which have to do with the religion of the US.
Q2) "what do we want from you?" is a mixed bag of religious and political demands.
I primarily addressing your question:
>what's propaganda about adapting your presentation to the target audience? Just in general?
My answer was it becomes a problem IF you are contradictory.
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I wonder if you misunderstood me or what I quoted. I was trying to argue against the person I replied to by showing evidence that those "grievances" aren't necessarily the true motive. If I understand your other post correctly, you agree with this.
The grievances (air quotes are inappropriate here) listed may not necessarily be the true motive, but they sure seem to be the true motive based on the evidence we see.
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No, I’m saying terrorists are the intended targets and children just happen to be in the way.
Wow. What if it were your children, xwdv? What if your children were the ones being shot and blown up to get those "terrorists"? Would you still think that it's okay since your children "just happened to be in the way"? No wonder those people hold you accountable.
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It’s funny how it’s okay to call those things evil if you’re a conservative Christian group but we cling onto the same words as one of the justifications to kill and attack another group
Not really. You're comparing free speech to what Al Qaeda is actually doing. Keeping women uneducated, lynching homosexuals, etc. I wouldn't say that the speech is "Ok" as much as it is simply tolerated in American democracy. Free speech is core American value, so you hear from the fringes. If they actually follow through and act (occasionally happens and makes national news), it is no longer be tolerated.
This isn’t a defense of UBL, I’m just pointing out that so much of this conversation is a matter of your ideology. If you think the only harm of the religious right in this country is simply a matter of tolerating their speech, then count yourself lucky to not be among or close to their victims.
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Dropping a bomb technically doesn't make you a hero, and that's why Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump are not considered heros. Signing up at 18 years old to go fight in a foreign country after just a couple hundred hours of training, does make you a hero compared to those that sit at home their whole lives and do nothing to help maintain society. If heros that go into the military didn't exist, I'd be speaking German…
Claiming that everyone who didn't sign up to kill people thousands of miles away from their society, were just "sitting at home their whole lives doing nothing to help maintain society", seems a bit dismissive. To avoid a flame war, I won't explicitly say they do more for society than iraq war volunteers, but teachers and doctors do plenty for society, for example.
Even the girl I'm dating sounds like a terrible teacher but what am I supposed to do about that. Not everyone can be good at their job. There is basically zero process to remove the bottom few % of teachers no matter how bad they are.
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Claiming that everyone who didn't sign up to kill people thousands of miles away from their society, were just "sitting at home their whole lives doing nothing to help maintain society", seems a bit dismissive. To avoid a flame war, I won't explicitly say they do more for society than iraq war volunteers, but teachers and doctors do plenty for society, for example.
Most teachers I know, and I know several because I've been in a relationship with one for a while now, are basically doing a disservice to children. I hear their stories and all I can think is "you shouldn't be a teacher, you're hurting these kids chance at learning". Even the girl I'm dating sounds like a terrible teacher but what am I supposed to do about that. Not everyone can be good at their job. There is basica…
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Dropping bombs on innocent civilians in a third world country doesn't make you a hero either, but that doesn't stop our media from calling all members of the military involved in the wars in the middle East heroes. Also read more carefully they never said the "terrorists" were heroes they explained the point of view of the "terrorists"
Dropping a bomb technically doesn't make you a hero, and that's why Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump are not considered heros. Signing up at 18 years old to go fight in a foreign country after just a couple hundred hours of training, does make you a hero compared to those that sit at home their whole lives and do nothing to help maintain society. If heros that go into the military didn't exist, I'd be speaking German…
However, you are right that without the brave soldiers of the USSR you might be speaking German. Or not, it’s pointless conjecture.
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Claiming that everyone who didn't sign up to kill people thousands of miles away from their society, were just "sitting at home their whole lives doing nothing to help maintain society", seems a bit dismissive. To avoid a flame war, I won't explicitly say they do more for society than iraq war volunteers, but teachers and doctors do plenty for society, for example.
Most teachers I know, and I know several because I've been in a relationship with one for a while now, are basically doing a disservice to children. I hear their stories and all I can think is "you shouldn't be a teacher, you're hurting these kids chance at learning". Even the girl I'm dating sounds like a terrible teacher but what am I supposed to do about that. Not everyone can be good at their job. There is basica…
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Most teachers I know, and I know several because I've been in a relationship with one for a while now, are basically doing a disservice to children. I hear their stories and all I can think is "you shouldn't be a teacher, you're hurting these kids chance at learning". Even the girl I'm dating sounds like a terrible teacher but what am I supposed to do about that. Not everyone can be good at their job. There is basica…
Funny, in my experience many people think the same thing of those who espouse the 'societal value' of volunteering to kill people in iraq, especially over society-benefitting professions like teaching and medicine.
I'm just saying that there is a decent amount of teachers that are doing a disservice to kids by not getting out of the way and letting the good teachers have a shot. But hey, she wants a Tesla and there's a union, so Johny must suffer.