Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

librearts.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

231–240 of 306 posts

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#231

Post by jonhohle »

Hammershaft wrote: post #204
crazygringo wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, TIL. Thank you! Why on earth isn't that keyboard shortcut shown in the search box, the way every other menu item with a keyboard shortcut has it displayed? It boggles my mind how hidden this all is. All these years, I could be picking menu items with my keyboard instead of my trackpad? What the hell, Apple. First Apple hides the feature behind a search box that you don't usually ever see and then wouldn't ever…

Mac OS is chock full of undiscoverable keybinds that perform functionality that would be useful for people of all skill levels. Moreso then Windows or popular Linux Distros, in my opinion.

What is frustrating to me, as a long time user, is that OS X used to come with books that would cover what was new.theblast oneni can remember was from 2008 or so and by that time they became leaflets with the major new features.

I’m sure I miss dozen of things with each yearly release now if I didn’t catch it during a keynote or stumble across it somewhere on the web.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#232

Post by ndiddy »

layer8 wrote: post #31
KaiserPro wrote: post #23

changing the GUI for a good reason makes sense, making it look like photoshop doesn't seem like a good idea. Photoshop is an arse to use, just like the GIMP. I just happen to have learnt gimp first.

GIMP lost me when they switched to flat monochrome icons. Well, I still use the old version.

You can change the icons back to the color ones in the settings.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#233

Post by _c3ag »

DonHopkins wrote: post #215
_c3ag wrote: post #117

NO! WE SHOULD USE RE-DO WITH PIE-MENUS ONLY :P Universal Search? Like F3 in Blender? Sure! just do it... i studied for a year advertising and marketing degree at an university and i was at the best grades on photograph and any other class that required some creative stuff. all done in Gimp... i don't know how the late game is but certainly some company wanting the proprietary .blob of your work in Photoshop lang bina…

Agreed! ;) I know you're joking about "ONLY", but actually, linear drop-down menus are just an edge case of pie menus with multiple items in only one direction: down. So you can also make drop-down, -up, -left, -right, and other direction menus with a decent pie menu editor, like the Blender pie menu editor add-on. Pie menus are much more useful if users can edit and create their own, especially in feature-rich exten…

i'm tweaking with fly-pie (already got 2 menus that i use a lot [there's even a dedicated key when keyboard is at mouse-layer]) & i got the blender extension too...

i think there's so much potential to trackball gestures. have you thought about multiple commands at the same direction based on distance? (could be useful for setting the volume/brightness, for example)

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#234

Post by pessimizer »

epcoa wrote: post #112
zelphirkalt wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not saying you are necessarily wrong about Gimp possibly being able to copy some of the good ideas from Photoshop. However, you basically confirmed what the GP said. If you suggest to put your usual Photoshop user in front of Gimp, without prior experience, then they are bound to walk into unexpected design decisions. Just like a Gimp user would, trying to find things in Photoshop.

Confirming what the GP said? This is all misdirection. Bottom line the GIMP UI/UX is garbage. There are extremely few people that have used a variety of image editing tools and claim GIMP is actually better. That’s all that matters really. This isn’t some rhetorical exercise.

There are extremely few people who work in image editing who didn't learn on Photoshop, and aren't required to use it on a daily basis because of industry standards (or differences in capability.)

It's like people who speak English talking about how everything in Spanish is in the wrong place. It's the cheapest way to bikeshed: make it more like the thing I know already!

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#235

Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

formerly_proven wrote: post #211
capableweb wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still ironic to me that the program that GTK was made for and that popularized the toolkit, haven't managed to move to its latest version yet.

They can port GIMP to the QML-based UI framework used by Muse 4.

I would estimate that would be a 3 person-year project, and the result will contain precisely zero improvements for any user (even if theoretically it might be easier to bring various improvements after that is done).

That is a hell of an ask.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#236

Post by pessimizer »

pmontra wrote: post #86

The search tool for GIMP is Google. How do I draw a rectangle? Google brings you to https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-using-rectangular.html which starts with "GIMP is not designed to be used for drawing." and then goes on which "However, you may create shapes by either painting them using the technique described in Section 14.1, “Drawing a Straight Line” or by using the selection tools" At that point you realize th…

Working with shapes in Photoshop can quickly degenerate into a nightmare. Raster drawing is not vector drawing.

Also, you can just use the selection tool.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#237

Post by theteapot »

hactually wrote: post #197
theteapot wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ChatGPT told me ChatGPT didn't tell you. It scrapped an answer off a forum and regurgitated that to you after applying a language transform. It's second result on DDG for "gimp fill tool border" -- https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/42621/hard... .

so, similar to another human telling you?

Ask another human for source and they'll tell you.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#238

Post by deaddodo »

replete wrote: post #214
SebastianKra wrote: post #179

I'm surprised there's uncertainty about how Gimp should be redesigned. Just copy Photoshop! Select tools on the left, configure the current tool at the top, global options on the right. Affinity does this and nobody complains. Thanks to MacOS help search, we even already have the command search that this video proposes. And it has interaction hints too. Gimp isn't more complex than Photoshop. We don't need it to rein…

This still blows my mind a bit - yes literally they should just copy Photoshop because everyone knows how to use it. Menus are fine, any complex tool has lots of menus. I have been wishing for a photoshop-like GUI frontend for GIMP for 20 years. It's not even that far off. That sounds ungrateful, and it's not meant to be - I know this is just how it is, amazing stuff under the hood and janky interfaces I mean, linux…

> I have been wishing for a photoshop-like GUI frontend for GIMP for 20 years. It's not even that far off. That sounds ungrateful, and it's not meant to be - I know this is just how it is, amazing stuff under the hood and janky interfaces

They used to have a Windows build that was like this called "Gimpshop":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMPshop

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#239

Post by darklycan51 »

prmoustache wrote: post #229
darklycan51 wrote: post #34

It's better than what currently there is but why does open source software have to have such bad UI? what are those lock and checkboxes? a 5 year old could come up with better icons... What's up with the thick lines around UI elements? it all looks so 2008. It sometimes looks to me like absolutely 0 designers are actually involved in open source, at all

> a 5 year old could come up with better icons... Apparently none did.

I think that just shows how terribly non programmer friendly open source development is, designers and the like do not touch places like github, the whole model needs a redo to make it easier for non programmers to participate in open source development

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#240

Post by gnulinux »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #7

Excuses abound. "There are too many features" So? Do the work. Organize them. "GTK doesn't have xxx, doesn't allow yyy, we have to wait until GTK 5 comes out..." No? Just do the work. Add those features to GTK itself or find a workaround. Open-source is built one patch at a time, so a big rewrite can never happen. But what's worse, to me, is that people build up this cognitive dissonance that it's some framework's fa…

> Open-source is built one patch at a time

This is extremely wrong. FOSS would be better if things weren't redesigned every other year from scratch. KDE, Gnome, MuseScore to name a few. I was a master of MuseScore 3 and the year I finally became 100%, they dropped support shipped the absolute shitshow that is MuseScore 4, broke every single one of my workflows and finally forced me to use lilypond full time. FOSS is a redesign-after-redesign shitshow just like big name software are. I just want my software to work today exactly the same way it worked yesterday and it seems impossible to achieve that.

Post reply on HN