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KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by tentacleuno »

cmplxconjugate wrote: post #16
mvelbaum wrote: post #4

KDE is pretty feature-rich, but it is just ugly. Look at the poor use of spacing/margins, the ugly black & white icons, the ugly font, the square edges, and just the overall look & feel. It needs a major face-lift. I dislike the attempts to dumb down GNOME but KDE being ugly makes it really hard to switch to.

I absolutely agree. It is functional and stable, but my gosh I can’t stand the design. The oversized top decoration for windows as well as the extremely poorly rendered pop-up for hovering over elements on the task bar.

> extremely poorly rendered pop-up for hovering over elements on the task bar

The only real issue with that, for me (and it's not poorly rendered, not sure what that means) is the time it takes to activate. You have to hover over it for like a second before the pop-up shows up; this is especially frustrating when items are grouped.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by Cu3PO42 »

Alupis wrote: post #62
imiric wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised whenever I hear Wayland works flawlessly for someone, since I've tried using it on the NixOS unstable channel for a few releases now, and there are a few major bugs that make it unusable for me. A show stopping one is that the bottom panel is stuck in the middle of the screen, with no way to move it down that I could find, and clicks register in completely different parts of the screen. It's difficult t…

Using an unstable channel and being surprised at bugs is kind of your own making... I also use Wayland + KDE full time and have not experienced any of the issues you described.

I run KDE on NixOS unstable as well and have also not experienced any of the issues the grandparent is describing.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by brobinson »

lxe wrote: post #72

Wayland doesn't fractionally scale chrome, discord, vscode, spotify, beeper, and other appimage and non-native applications. So even if KDE enables it by default, most users will have to switch back to X.

>Wayland doesn't fractionally scale chrome, chromium, chromium, chromium, chromium, and other appimage and non-native applications.

The absolute state of desktop applications in 2023. Everything is a web browser. God help us all.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by bloopernova »

lxe wrote: post #72

Wayland doesn't fractionally scale chrome, discord, vscode, spotify, beeper, and other appimage and non-native applications. So even if KDE enables it by default, most users will have to switch back to X.

Isn't that more of an Electron problem than a Wayland problem? (honest question, no snark intended. It looks like those are all electron based apps)

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by walteweiss »

schmorptron wrote: post #66
walteweiss wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would really like to step up here (not joking), but I am yet to understand the process and explore KDE once again. I do like it generally, but visually it’s a mess. I use swaywm on my Arch laptop and pure Gnome 45 on a couple of my Fedora 39 PCs (work and home ones). Would appreciate if someone can help me to get quicker at understanding with their system, so I can actually contribute and not just complain about it…

That's great! (i mean this unironically in case that came off sarcastic) I'm not a kde contributor myself, but they seem to have a matrix channel for that purpose at [ https://webchat.kde.org/#/room/#new-contributors:kde.org ], where the contributors themselves can probably point you to the relevant resources and get started. About your second point: From what I've been reading on their blog, a large focus of Plasma…

Thank you! It will take time, but I will come there eventually.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by fbdab103 »

schmorptron wrote: post #26
mvelbaum wrote: post #4

KDE is pretty feature-rich, but it is just ugly. Look at the poor use of spacing/margins, the ugly black & white icons, the ugly font, the square edges, and just the overall look & feel. It needs a major face-lift. I dislike the attempts to dumb down GNOME but KDE being ugly makes it really hard to switch to.

I agree on the spacing part, but it's not fair to complain about it and not submit actual solutions to them. Have you tried getting to know their contribution process, looking at their current design guidelines and submitting a new, well-thought-out and complete design guideline proposal to KDE? Having someone who notices the current problems with that aspect, like you, actually do the work and help fix it could real…

Not OP, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. I can not like Transformers without having a ten-point plan for how to make it a passable movie^.

^ While writing this, I came up with loads of concrete suggestions relating to Transformers, but kind of beside the point.*

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by bee_rider »

smallerfish wrote: post #23

It's been kind of buried, but KDE has the first steps of tiling mode built into it now, in addition to the default screen edge tiling (on KDE 5.27.8 on up). Meta + T to enable tile editor. Shift + window drag to move a window into a tile. Hopefully a lot more coming, including different layouts per virtual desktop & full keyboard nav for the tiles. But it's a decent start.

More tiling managers is always great!

The advantages of tiling window managers are so tied to muscle memory, I’m not sure many people will want to switch from, say, sway or i3 or whatever. But at least new people will be able to give it a try.

I’m not sure how much work is involved in replacing the window manager inside a desktop environment. It would be nice to just drop sway into kde. Dunno if that is possible though.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by smoldesu »

tsss wrote: post #37
brnt wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excellent spacing: no useless wide margins. Stylish icons that can blend in with various themes, which are clear and easily distinguishable. Font: most distro's actually default to Noto, not KDEs own. But you know what: this you can change, KDE didn't remove any and all options for customisation after all. You can pry Plasma out my cold, dead hands. Gnome, Macos, and Windows: now that's amateur hour.

The margins and paddings are objectively terrible. It is not a matter of taste. There is no coherent design here, nothing aligns, there is no visual hierarchy and often it doesn't even show more information than GNOME despite looking so much worse.

> often it doesn't even show more information than GNOME despite looking so much worse

Yeah, even as a GTK developer I'm gonna throw a yellow flag here. I've got both Qt and GTK apps that I really love and daily-drive, but none of my GTK3, GTK4 or Libadwaita apps even remotely approach the information density of a Qt app. There's nothing wrong with that; simplicity is nice for a lot of software. But programs like Cutter, Okteta or even music apps like Eliza cannot be built with the GNOME HIG. I'd even argue that certain GNOME apps like Meld, GIMP and Glade/Cambalache suffer from relying on the GNOME HIG too much.

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