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KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by coherence73 »

Wayland has a few glitches, but in general it's good to use.

For example, it doesn't have an API to get current cursor position (which breaks keepassxc's browser popup, goldendict's query popup), an API (which most compositor implements) to get current window state, which makes me unable to find an alternative of autokey (kwin script can do this, though, but it lacks the ability to execute arbitary commands..).

On the other hand, I don't see a killing feature that drives people switch to wayland.. (HDR can be one, but I don't use it) I mean, yeah X11 is old and unmaintained, but it WORKS.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by Alupis »

imiric wrote: post #39
MarcusE1W wrote: post #3

I use KDE for a year now with Wayland. Works absolutely fine for me. My requirements are probably simple, just a laptop but it works.

I'm surprised whenever I hear Wayland works flawlessly for someone, since I've tried using it on the NixOS unstable channel for a few releases now, and there are a few major bugs that make it unusable for me. A show stopping one is that the bottom panel is stuck in the middle of the screen, with no way to move it down that I could find, and clicks register in completely different parts of the screen. It's difficult t…

Using an unstable channel and being surprised at bugs is kind of your own making...

I also use Wayland + KDE full time and have not experienced any of the issues you described.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

IshKebab wrote: post #19

Does screen capture actually work reliably yet? I hope they leave X11 as an option until it does.

Has been working for me on Kubuntu both on my Intel Iris Xe GPU on my laptop and my RX 6700XT on my desktop for a while now, probably since 22.10.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

cmplxconjugate wrote: post #16
mvelbaum wrote: post #4

KDE is pretty feature-rich, but it is just ugly. Look at the poor use of spacing/margins, the ugly black & white icons, the ugly font, the square edges, and just the overall look & feel. It needs a major face-lift. I dislike the attempts to dumb down GNOME but KDE being ugly makes it really hard to switch to.

I absolutely agree. It is functional and stable, but my gosh I can’t stand the design. The oversized top decoration for windows as well as the extremely poorly rendered pop-up for hovering over elements on the task bar.

You know can change that, right? One major point of KDE is that you can configure anything.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by schmorptron »

walteweiss wrote: post #46
schmorptron wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree on the spacing part, but it's not fair to complain about it and not submit actual solutions to them. Have you tried getting to know their contribution process, looking at their current design guidelines and submitting a new, well-thought-out and complete design guideline proposal to KDE? Having someone who notices the current problems with that aspect, like you, actually do the work and help fix it could real…

I would really like to step up here (not joking), but I am yet to understand the process and explore KDE once again. I do like it generally, but visually it’s a mess. I use swaywm on my Arch laptop and pure Gnome 45 on a couple of my Fedora 39 PCs (work and home ones). Would appreciate if someone can help me to get quicker at understanding with their system, so I can actually contribute and not just complain about it…

That's great! (i mean this unironically in case that came off sarcastic)

I'm not a kde contributor myself, but they seem to have a matrix channel for that purpose at [ https://webchat.kde.org/#/room/#new-contributors:kde.org ], where the contributors themselves can probably point you to the relevant resources and get started.

About your second point: From what I've been reading on their blog, a large focus of Plasma 6 is making the defaults more sane and simplifying them a good bit.

It's obviously a huge challenge to design systems that are simple and polished to understand and use on the surface, but powerful to customize underneath, and I'm interested to see how it will be tackled.

Edit: Also on this site [ https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved ] they point to resources for the KDE Visual Design group

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by miloignis »

imiric wrote: post #39
MarcusE1W wrote: post #3

I use KDE for a year now with Wayland. Works absolutely fine for me. My requirements are probably simple, just a laptop but it works.

I'm surprised whenever I hear Wayland works flawlessly for someone, since I've tried using it on the NixOS unstable channel for a few releases now, and there are a few major bugs that make it unusable for me. A show stopping one is that the bottom panel is stuck in the middle of the screen, with no way to move it down that I could find, and clicks register in completely different parts of the screen. It's difficult t…

I recommend swapping your nix package to firefox-wayland -I've been using it for quite a while and it's been great. For me, it's been a huge improvement over X - thr lack of screen tearing when srolling and playing videos is huge.

If an app uses one of the normal GUI toolkits, they don't normally have to do anything crazy to support wayland, so I'd be suprised if you need to swap to a whole new ecosystem (and there's always XWayland for those that do).

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by ta8903 »

sph wrote: post #17
mvelbaum wrote: post #4

KDE is pretty feature-rich, but it is just ugly. Look at the poor use of spacing/margins, the ugly black & white icons, the ugly font, the square edges, and just the overall look & feel. It needs a major face-lift. I dislike the attempts to dumb down GNOME but KDE being ugly makes it really hard to switch to.

I'm gonna be very controversial here, but the problem is that the vast majority of Linux users are blind to aesthetics and design. Perhaps the vast majority of people are. Mind you, being blind to something does not mean it does not exist. Just look at the desktop wallpaper or any font choice of the average person. It's no wonder Comic Sans and Papyrus are the most common fonts in the world, even for formal business…

>the vast majority of Linux users are blind to aesthetics and design

Are you sure you don't feel this way because Windows and Mac go out of their way to prevent you from changing anything about the UX at all?

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by miloignis »

coherence73 wrote: post #61

Wayland has a few glitches, but in general it's good to use. For example, it doesn't have an API to get current cursor position (which breaks keepassxc's browser popup, goldendict's query popup), an API (which most compositor implements) to get current window state, which makes me unable to find an alternative of autokey (kwin script can do this, though, but it lacks the ability to execute arbitary commands..). On th…

Lack of screentearing is the killer app for me. The only GUI programs I run are Firefox, a terminal (foot or wezterm), and video games, so everything works and works better (I dont want screentearing for any of those 3) for me under Wayland.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by anotherhue »

imiric wrote: post #39
MarcusE1W wrote: post #3

I use KDE for a year now with Wayland. Works absolutely fine for me. My requirements are probably simple, just a laptop but it works.

I'm surprised whenever I hear Wayland works flawlessly for someone, since I've tried using it on the NixOS unstable channel for a few releases now, and there are a few major bugs that make it unusable for me. A show stopping one is that the bottom panel is stuck in the middle of the screen, with no way to move it down that I could find, and clicks register in completely different parts of the screen. It's difficult t…

Try running wdisplays to make sure the screen geometry is correct.
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