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KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by irusensei »

adamkf wrote: post #11

I've been using Wayland KDE on my gaming machine recently, it somehow made my cursor movement stutter. Switching to KDE X11 or Gnome Wayland solved the issue. I hope they address this kind of thing prior to making it a default.

I use Wayland KDE but have shortcuts for Steam to launch within Gamescope [].

    # normal steam with experimental HDR enabled, native resolution for my laptop and 165hz refresh rate.
    alias steam 'steam-run gamescope -f --hdr-enabled -e -W 2560 -H 1440 -r 165 -- steam'

    # full screen gamepad ui
    alias steam_gamepadui 'steam-run gamescope -f --hdr-enabled -e -W 2560 -H 1440 -r 165 -- steam -gamepadui'
Computer is Asus G513qy, a a full AMD laptop with discrete graphics. Janky thermal design, no thunderbolt... so more like a stationary desktop. Wouldn't buy something like this again but for now it does the job and runs great with any modern distro.

[] https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by senectus1 »

smallerfish wrote: post #23

It's been kind of buried, but KDE has the first steps of tiling mode built into it now, in addition to the default screen edge tiling (on KDE 5.27.8 on up). Meta + T to enable tile editor. Shift + window drag to move a window into a tile. Hopefully a lot more coming, including different layouts per virtual desktop & full keyboard nav for the tiles. But it's a decent start.

Oh wow.. I've been using KDE for a few months and didn't know that! thanks!

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by walteweiss »

brnt wrote: post #6
mvelbaum wrote: post #4

KDE is pretty feature-rich, but it is just ugly. Look at the poor use of spacing/margins, the ugly black & white icons, the ugly font, the square edges, and just the overall look & feel. It needs a major face-lift. I dislike the attempts to dumb down GNOME but KDE being ugly makes it really hard to switch to.

Excellent spacing: no useless wide margins. Stylish icons that can blend in with various themes, which are clear and easily distinguishable. Font: most distro's actually default to Noto, not KDEs own. But you know what: this you can change, KDE didn't remove any and all options for customisation after all. You can pry Plasma out my cold, dead hands. Gnome, Macos, and Windows: now that's amateur hour.

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Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by bee_rider »

Topfi wrote: post #25
theHamsta wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They mentioned that the culprit for those additional load times was loading all the search backend for their application launcher which they deferred to the moment when there was actually the first search query (still shouldn't take multiple seconds)

Thanks for the clarification. Opinions will differ, of course and I cannot say whether the time required is justified or calls for optimizations, but personally, I view that moving this to the first search query is less elegant than having it happen during the initial start, when users are more accustomed to waiting a bit longer. With the new setup, the initial query will be less seamless than future ones at a time w…

I’m surprised they wouldn’t go for “kick off it off early in the process but allow the desktop to load without it” instead.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by walteweiss »

schmorptron wrote: post #26
mvelbaum wrote: post #4

KDE is pretty feature-rich, but it is just ugly. Look at the poor use of spacing/margins, the ugly black & white icons, the ugly font, the square edges, and just the overall look & feel. It needs a major face-lift. I dislike the attempts to dumb down GNOME but KDE being ugly makes it really hard to switch to.

I agree on the spacing part, but it's not fair to complain about it and not submit actual solutions to them. Have you tried getting to know their contribution process, looking at their current design guidelines and submitting a new, well-thought-out and complete design guideline proposal to KDE? Having someone who notices the current problems with that aspect, like you, actually do the work and help fix it could real…

I would really like to step up here (not joking), but I am yet to understand the process and explore KDE once again. I do like it generally, but visually it’s a mess. I use swaywm on my Arch laptop and pure Gnome 45 on a couple of my Fedora 39 PCs (work and home ones).

Would appreciate if someone can help me to get quicker at understanding with their system, so I can actually contribute and not just complain about it being inconsistent here and there. Even though I not use KDE myself, I use it from time to time on other’s machines and enjoy playing with it. I would consider a switch only if the DE would highly reconsider itself towards simplifying and making other defaults. At the moment, Gnome looks like it to me.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by Pannoniae »

addicted wrote: post #30
Pannoniae wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is funny because Comic Sans is actually pretty good from a design and accessibility perspective. The complaints are mostly "fun fonts are not appropriate for a business" and everyone jumped on hating it. But those who are not that stuck-up don't hate it with a passion...

There you go proving that it’s not just that many Linux users have a bad design sensibility, but worse, they will defend bad design as good design. Not only do you defend it, even your defense proves that Comic Sans is a bad design, because matching the needs of what it’s used for (in this case a business setting, where fun fonts are not allowed) is one of the highest factors in good design. And you display another b…

Not all of life is business, and there's some business where fun is allowed.

Also, Comic Sans is not even something rebellious, it's literally a good-looking, quirky font, people just hate it because it looks distinctive and it stands out.

This is a bit dystopian to scream "NO FUN ALLOWED"....

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by shawnz »

smallerfish wrote: post #23

It's been kind of buried, but KDE has the first steps of tiling mode built into it now, in addition to the default screen edge tiling (on KDE 5.27.8 on up). Meta + T to enable tile editor. Shift + window drag to move a window into a tile. Hopefully a lot more coming, including different layouts per virtual desktop & full keyboard nav for the tiles. But it's a decent start.

I'm glad to see a tiling window manager that makes effective use of the mouse, I think it is an underappreciated input device for that use case

Re: KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default

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Post by JohnFen »

mvelbaum wrote: post #4

KDE is pretty feature-rich, but it is just ugly. Look at the poor use of spacing/margins, the ugly black & white icons, the ugly font, the square edges, and just the overall look & feel. It needs a major face-lift. I dislike the attempts to dumb down GNOME but KDE being ugly makes it really hard to switch to.

Beauty is entirely subjective, though. I don't find KDE ugly at all. Nor do I find Gnome ugly. But I find KDE easy to use, and I don't find the same about Gnome. Even if KDE was ugly to me, usability is more important. KDE is also very configurable, so I could probably bend it into something more to my taste.
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