The default in KDE doesn't matter much, as opposed to what default will the distros set.
KDE Plasma 6.0 Is Enabling Wayland by Default
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#22KDE is pretty feature-rich, but it is just ugly. Look at the poor use of spacing/margins, the ugly black & white icons, the ugly font, the square edges, and just the overall look & feel. It needs a major face-lift. I dislike the attempts to dumb down GNOME but KDE being ugly makes it really hard to switch to.
I'm gonna be very controversial here, but the problem is that the vast majority of Linux users are blind to aesthetics and design. Perhaps the vast majority of people are. Mind you, being blind to something does not mean it does not exist. Just look at the desktop wallpaper or any font choice of the average person. It's no wonder Comic Sans and Papyrus are the most common fonts in the world, even for formal business…
Your comment is funny because Comic Sans is actually pretty good from a design and accessibility perspective.
The complaints are mostly "fun fonts are not appropriate for a business" and everyone jumped on hating it. But those who are not that stuck-up don't hate it with a passion...
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#23It's been kind of buried, but KDE has the first steps of tiling mode built into it now, in addition to the default screen edge tiling (on KDE 5.27.8 on up). Meta + T to enable tile editor. Shift + window drag to move a window into a tile.
Hopefully a lot more coming, including different layouts per virtual desktop & full keyboard nav for the tiles. But it's a decent start.
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#24The default in KDE doesn't matter much, as opposed to what default will the distros set.
Most distros have been defaulting to Wayland with GNOME for years at this point. I wouldn't hold your breath for them to wait around on Xorg for KDE despite upstream now switching.
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#25> - Plasma's start time is up to a few seconds faster. On the one hand, this is impressive. On the other, this is a vague indictment of modern software. Plasma logs you in, draws a background and the taskbar thing across the screen. There shouldn't be seconds involved in that to shave. This must be a recurring feature, every few years someone goes through and fixes up load times.
They mentioned that the culprit for those additional load times was loading all the search backend for their application launcher which they deferred to the moment when there was actually the first search query (still shouldn't take multiple seconds)
Thanks for the clarification. Opinions will differ, of course and I cannot say whether the time required is justified or calls for optimizations, but personally, I view that moving this to the first search query is less elegant than having it happen during the initial start, when users are more accustomed to waiting a bit longer. With the new setup, the initial query will be less seamless than future ones at a time when the user is actually trying to accomplish something, leading to a degraded experience as far as I am concerned. But, as per usual, distros will make differing choices in this regard, and we shall see what ends up being shipped as the default in most cases.
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#26KDE is pretty feature-rich, but it is just ugly. Look at the poor use of spacing/margins, the ugly black & white icons, the ugly font, the square edges, and just the overall look & feel. It needs a major face-lift. I dislike the attempts to dumb down GNOME but KDE being ugly makes it really hard to switch to.
I agree on the spacing part, but it's not fair to complain about it and not submit actual solutions to them.
Have you tried getting to know their contribution process, looking at their current design guidelines and submitting a new, well-thought-out and complete design guideline proposal to KDE? Having someone who notices the current problems with that aspect, like you, actually do the work and help fix it could really make a difference! :)
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#27For more background in general I recommend the blog of one of the main developers, for this wayland news specifically this article: https://pointieststick.com/2023/11/10/this-week-in-kde-wayla... This article from september goes into wayland (and KDE) much deeper and is worth a read: https://pointieststick.com/2023/09/17/so-lets-talk-about-thi...
The pointieststick blog is great in general, even though I don't use KDE I enjoy reading the posts that they post on there!
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Excellent spacing: no useless wide margins. Stylish icons that can blend in with various themes, which are clear and easily distinguishable. Font: most distro's actually default to Noto, not KDEs own. But you know what: this you can change, KDE didn't remove any and all options for customisation after all. You can pry Plasma out my cold, dead hands. Gnome, Macos, and Windows: now that's amateur hour.
To be honest, there are many places in the "refreshed" Breeze look'n'feel and the Kirigami suite of apps in general that could really use some margins. It doesn't need a lot of padding, just a pixel here and a pixel there - not to make it less dense, but to make it look cleaner and consistent. To my eye, screenshots from the blog post look worse in this regard than Plasma 5.
It'll need finishing touches but they've got plenty of time for that before the February 2024 launch
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#29Does screen capture actually work reliably yet? I hope they leave X11 as an option until it does.
Working pretty well for me on Debian 12 with an RX 6600
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm gonna be very controversial here, but the problem is that the vast majority of Linux users are blind to aesthetics and design. Perhaps the vast majority of people are. Mind you, being blind to something does not mean it does not exist. Just look at the desktop wallpaper or any font choice of the average person. It's no wonder Comic Sans and Papyrus are the most common fonts in the world, even for formal business…
Your comment is funny because Comic Sans is actually pretty good from a design and accessibility perspective. The complaints are mostly "fun fonts are not appropriate for a business" and everyone jumped on hating it. But those who are not that stuck-up don't hate it with a passion...
There you go proving that it’s not just that many Linux users have a bad design sensibility, but worse, they will defend bad design as good design.
Not only do you defend it, even your defense proves that Comic Sans is a bad design, because matching the needs of what it’s used for (in this case a business setting, where fun fonts are not allowed) is one of the highest factors in good design.
And you display another behavior which is common among Linux users that the parent hasn’t mentioned. Finally resorting to complaining that the Users are wrong.
Here’s the usual 3 step that prevents a lot of progress in the Linux world.
1. Have bad design ideas. 2. Defend those bad design ideas. 3. Insist users and the people who want better design are wrong.