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Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#171
The article mentions an important point: customers tip more when given a list of tipping options than when they are not, even when they don't know how much to tip.

This tracks with how Starbucks baristas are seeing more tips per week once they rolled out credit card tipping. https://old.reddit.com/r/starbucks/comments/zcl142/credit_ca...

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#172

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It was the 1980s.

You should bear in mind that just because you didn't tip the barber, and perhaps no one you knew tipped the barber, that doesn't mean no one thought to do so. As I've shown, it's been a common practice for a long time. Here's some more data points for the 1980s: A 1989 book for teens on etiquette says you tip your barber $1 or more: https://archive.org/details/dearteenager00swan/page/180/mode... In a 1987 sociology t…

I lived through the 1980s and tipping for a haircut wasn’t a thing I ever came across —- maybe it was a class thing or something that older people with regular barbers did.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

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tipping came out of a need of rich people to show off their wealth. i don't think anyone remembers that. tips were given to servants who, in some way or form had a full-time job (or were slaves) with food and a place to sleep. they likely had bad working and living conditions and were being exploited by todays standards, but that wasn't the reason they got tips. those societies that don't have a culture of tipping, p…

>> influential parts of society are still relying on them. > waiters are now being exploited by their employers So yes, employers are relying on tips to exploit waiters, and they have more influence on their society than the waiters. To answer your point on societies that don't have a tipping culture (I guess you mean a vibrant tipping culture. I don't think there is any society with absolutely no tipping whatsoever)…

I don't think there is any society with absolutely no tipping whatsoever

there are. in china people will get confused if you try to tip. it's just not done. exceptions only in areas with lots of western tourists. apparently in japan people get offended if you tip.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#174

It can sound controversial, but can we please stop with tipping altogether? Leaving aside for a second the fact that now tipping is basically asked everywhere (even at automated machines) - as an European I consider it an extremely stupid trend. If you're "forced" to tip, then it's not a tip anymore. The concept of tipping, at least in Switzerland, has always been to show gratitude for an *exceptional* service. I tot…

Ten years ago I would have been against you but today I admit that tipping has gone too far and more than that the practice should be stopped altogether

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

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Yesterday I had lunch at a Shake Shack. Humans don't take orders there any more; you place your order at a self-serve touchscreen kiosk. As I finished placing my order, I was prompted to leave a tip; 10% was the default and you had to press a button to change it. Who am I tipping, exactly? The kiosk? Myself? No one had even made eye contact with me up to this point. I have ordered fast food from a computer. When I ha…

> Who am I tipping, exactly? The staff who make pretty crap money to do a pretty thankless job who opened the restaurant, kept it clean + stocked, kept the bathrooms cleaned, make the order, serve the order, help you if something is wrong, help keep condiments/drink machines working, etc. I agree with this logic we should always tip everybody we interact with $1 and that isn't the standard. It's a weird thing. Tippin…

or maybe just the owner

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

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You should bear in mind that just because you didn't tip the barber, and perhaps no one you knew tipped the barber, that doesn't mean no one thought to do so. As I've shown, it's been a common practice for a long time. Here's some more data points for the 1980s: A 1989 book for teens on etiquette says you tip your barber $1 or more: https://archive.org/details/dearteenager00swan/page/180/mode... In a 1987 sociology t…

I lived through the 1980s and tipping for a haircut wasn’t a thing I ever came across —- maybe it was a class thing or something that older people with regular barbers did.

I also lived through the 1980s, but my grandmother cut my hair until I was a teen, and I can't remember what I paid at Supercuts or if I tipped or not.

How many people do you know well enough to know how if they tipped at the barber's? I don't think I knew anyone else's payment practice.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

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don't ever fuck with the people who prepare your food

1. Not tipping in the aforementioned scenario is so far away from qualifying as "fucking with" anyone 2. Not only would spitting in food get you fired but it's also a crime. Do you really think it's common for people to be this reckless with their livelihood?

It's a restaurant. If high flying executives with great careers can commit crimes to make a extra buck, the person flipping your burger isn't going to be much more pragmatic.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

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cashier optimizes for speed and efficiency, if it takes more than a couple of minutes to check out the it took too long. waiter, it varies, but if they spend as much time on the table as a cashier, that is usually seen as poor service. there are also plenty of businesses with cashiers with tip jars, or tip screens. have been for years. some places, and this gets a bit wild, some places don’t even have tip jars. you j…

Sorry - my european centric view might have skewed my argument a bit. I have never seen a tipping jar in a shop in Europe

no need to apologize, your comment simply made it sound like it was commonplace to see tipping in some contexts. and there are people that believe that tipping does make sense in some contexts.

sometimes the silhouette lines up just right to look the same forwards and backwards. if only more peoples’ views were skewed by a lack of tip jars and a presence of living wages.

if you are seeing tipping more than you have historically, that’s problematic for plenty of reasons.

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