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Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by ponector »

gottorf wrote: post #106
ponector wrote: post #96

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Are wagons killed? Many european cars have versions both sedan and wagon. Wagons just not popular anymore. Look like everyone wants a SUV these days.

> Many european cars have versions both sedan and wagon. BMW's 3- and 5-series wagons are no longer sold in the US. Audi only has the A4 and A6 Allroad versions. Mercedes-Benz has only the E-class wagon remaining. Volvo, long the king of European wagons in the US, recently restored two models. So yeah, unfortunately for the most part they're out. > Look like everyone wants a SUV these days. This is true. Most of thos…

My point was that not CAFE regulations killed wagons in US but simple market force. Wagons are still alive, they are manufactured globally, just not selling well in US. Same story with compact cars like Toyota Yaris.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by whelp_24 »

jiveturkey wrote: post #113
MarkusWandel wrote: post #16

In other words, a pickup truck! Not a giant SUV masquerading as one, with a 5ft bed and 5-passenger luxury car cab, with price to match. I'm old enough to remember normal pickup trucks, affordable for actual "work" use, with bench seating for three, full 8x4 bed with half ton cargo capacity and not much else.

> In other words, a pickup truck! I know you and everyone is salivating over it, mostly due to price, but this is NOT a pickup truck. This is an upscaled UTV. You can already buy similar in the US for offroad purpose (farm) for 1x - 2x the price of the Toyota/hilux. This vehicle does not meet any safety standards whatsoever and is not roadworthy. I doubt it even has the rollover protection of a forklift.

Forklifts are designed to take alot of top impact force. But i do get your meaning.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #123
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #37

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I have a 2 door late 2000’s Ford Ranger I’ve been driving for the past decade. Crank windows and the vinyl seats are falling apart and it’s my favorite vehicle I’ve ever owned. Low maintenance costs: only had one actual mechanical problem, bad coil pack, since I’ve owned it and I’ve had the sway bar replaced but otherwise nothing. other than that it’s only been batteries, oil and tires and registration/insurance. I b…

They also don't have a max load or tow rating. People frequently tow campers with them in "FFR" mode

I will say towing with my weak 2.3L engine is pretty comical. I have a hitch but it can’t pull much more than a flatbed trailer or a small sized UHaul. I suspect as long as you never took it on the highway though you might be able to really tow something of decent size with it, with the expectation you’d never be able to get it to go over 45 MPH.

It constantly does way more than I would expect though. I took it up a few mountains in Colorado and its little 2WD was going over rocky roads that you would basically otherwise need a Jeep to handle. Maybe that’s how I broke my sway bar.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by devilbunny »

ponector wrote: post #131
gottorf wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many european cars have versions both sedan and wagon. BMW's 3- and 5-series wagons are no longer sold in the US. Audi only has the A4 and A6 Allroad versions. Mercedes-Benz has only the E-class wagon remaining. Volvo, long the king of European wagons in the US, recently restored two models. So yeah, unfortunately for the most part they're out. > Look like everyone wants a SUV these days. This is true. Most of thos…

My point was that not CAFE regulations killed wagons in US but simple market force. Wagons are still alive, they are manufactured globally, just not selling well in US. Same story with compact cars like Toyota Yaris.

Luxury brands can price the tax for failure to meet CAFE standards into their sticker; an extra thousand isn’t going to make or break an E class sale, but it’s going to matter for a Malibu wagon.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by jstarfish »

rurp wrote: post #63
aidenn0 wrote: post #42

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azI3nqrHEXM TL;DW: In 2008 CAFE introduced a formula that calculates the required MPG based off of the track times the wheelbase (basically the rectangle formed by the tires). Trucks are less aerodynamic than sedans, so small trucks can't be made that get sufficiently low MPG to meet this standard, and thus even though a smaller truck would use less fuel than a larger truck that meets…

Am I missing something or is this regulation as dumb as I think it is? It seems to have the effect of replacing a bunch of small trucks on the road with giant trucks that get much worse mileage overall.

It does appear that dumb. CAFE seems predicated on exceeding a particular average gas mileage for each class of vehicles.

If I understand it correctly, having a small truck counted among your sedans hurts the average MPG of your "car" line since even a fuel-efficient truck performs worse than cars.

Solution: add just enough mass to the Frontier to bump it from "cars" and put it in the "truck" class.

Among "trucks," the dummy-thicc Frontier now becomes the best-performing Truck, whose high average MPG raises the shittier average MPG of the rest of your gas-guzzling Titan/equivalents. Then you don't need to improve any of your existing trucks.

...which leaves little incentive for anybody to make a small truck. It hurts your average car MPG and only qualifies as a Truck if you add so much weight to it that it's no longer "small." This is dumb.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

tomcam wrote: post #94
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #66

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Dude the delta between new and used cars right now is virtually nothing. You can get a 2012 tacoma with 200k miles on it for like 28k or a brand new 2023 tacoma for 35k. New is a better deal just based on the projected mechanical life of the car. Dont need fancy features to sell it

Try actually finding that new Tacoma

Well, I did actually, but it was a fluke, someone had pre-ordered it then backed out when it arrived
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