Man, $10000 doesn't get you very much truck anymore.
Toyota's new $10k pickup
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
A small pickup, at least with any kind of ICE, is literally illegal to sell here due to CAFE regulations, which are strangely based on the footprint of the car. An actually small pickup would have to be as fuel-efficient as sedans and small SUVs, which isn't going to work out. EVs will work, but not at that sub-$20k price point.
This can't be right. Maybe it is, but it makes no sense. The 90s Frontier is a tiny little thing, almost what a Kei truck is today. Same with the Ranger. An El Camino is bigger. I bought a base Frontier in 2017, wanting that tiny truck but ended up with something the size of a 90s F150. Literally the smallest option on the market, whose weak-ass v4 struggles to haul its own weight (and has the turning radius of an ai…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azI3nqrHEXM
TL;DW:
In 2008 CAFE introduced a formula that calculates the required MPG based off of the track times the wheelbase (basically the rectangle formed by the tires). Trucks are less aerodynamic than sedans, so small trucks can't be made that get sufficiently low MPG to meet this standard, and thus even though a smaller truck would use less fuel than a larger truck that meets the standard.
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#43I mean, $10000 is almost enough to ignore just how ugly that thing is. I just don't see the comparison to the 70 series or Hilux, except vaguely, maybe similar to La Croix's relationship to water. To be clear, I find the effort they put into "styling" it ugly; if they committed and made a utilitarian vehicle without the style-effort, it likely would look great.
The single-color exterior looks decent, reminds me of a sci-fi moon vehicle:
https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/2023/11/2024-Toyota-IMV-0...
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#44Oooh, I would _absolutely_ buy one of these to tow with. (looks like that diesel has _enough_ torque for my needs.) It's become almost impossible to find a cheap pickup truck in the US. Even older USED trucks are commanding $30K these days. If they could fit this out to pass safety regs in North America and keep the price under $20K, it would be a license to print money.
Toyota has a small pickup in the works for the US market to compete with the Ford Maverick, which is a huge success. Probably won't see it till 2027.
The Maverick is only small in modern terms. It's larger than the old S10 or Rangers were by quite a bit, and more like an old midsized truck -- it's length is actually smack in the middle of a short-bed and long-bed 1990 F-150 and 11-inches longer than the Long Bed 1990 Ranger.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
A ton is 1000kg which is approximately 2200lb. Half a ton never seemed much for the pickup trucks of old, but on the other hand, you could overload them by 1.5-2x and still have a bit of suspension travel left for a careful drive home, e.g. when fetching roof shingles. This was when they were cheap utility vehicles of course.
In the US, we have an imperial ton of precisely 2000lb. A metric ton is commonly heard, but always specified.
Metric tonne.
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#46I wonder how much weight it will carry or tow.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can still buy those, typically ex-contractor vehicles at auction. Crank windows, cloth bench, long bed, crappy radio.
I have a 2 door late 2000’s Ford Ranger I’ve been driving for the past decade. Crank windows and the vinyl seats are falling apart and it’s my favorite vehicle I’ve ever owned. Low maintenance costs: only had one actual mechanical problem, bad coil pack, since I’ve owned it and I’ve had the sway bar replaced but otherwise nothing. other than that it’s only been batteries, oil and tires and registration/insurance. I b…
For brand-new trucks, both GM (Chevy/GMC) as well as Ford make half-ton trucks with a regular cab and six-foot bed, which is the closest thing to what your Ranger is and can be optioned with CarPlay. Ram, unfortunately, stopped selling the regular cab 1500 Classic as of the last model year.
Used availability varies, of course, but used cars are such a silly deal at the moment compared to new car pricing that it may not make sense.
I'm a big fan of those "shorty" trucks.
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#48I love the flatbed with the flip down sides. I used one of these in Europe, and they are incredibly convenient. You flip down the sides and load it up without having to reach over anything and then just flip them back up to drive. Unloading dirt or gravel by hand is so much easier when you can just push it off the side with a shovel. I've seen this once or twice in the U.S., but only on very large trucks. I wonder if…
> I've seen this once or twice in the U.S., but only on very large trucks. I wonder if there's some regulatory reason.
In very general terms, pickup trucks in Europe (and other countries outside of North America) are used for hauling things in the bed, whereas pickup trucks in the US are used to tow things. Not to mention that especially in the US, they're very often used as daily drivers, so the flip-down sides, as handy as they are, are less appealing because they look dingy and will rattle.
With modern half-ton and higher pickups in the US, the bed is actually very difficult to use, because the market keeps demanding more and more "aggressive-looking" and "off-road capable" trucks, which means the whole vehicle and the load floor get taller and taller. You basically have to be a giant to actually be able to load and unload things from the bed.
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#49What is with this site expanding the video once you scroll and covering what you are reading? Who had the idea?