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Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by lmm »

ordu wrote: post #489
gambiting wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As if amazon drivers read the notes. I once left a giant note saying in capital letters "DO NOT RING DOORBELL, SLEEPING BABY AT HOME" and of course the absolute knobhead from Amazon had to ring the doorbell. Literally never shouted at anyone in my life before this.

You see, a note may not prevent amazon drivers from doing what they do, but they lose their moral ground. Now they can be shouted at if they rang a doorbell or tried to use a code for a garage door. No more anything like this "I sometimes get delivery drivers getting pissed off at me (for some reason) that the code doesn't work . You can cut into any their speech with "English, m****r, do you read it?".

> English, m**r, do you read it?

Gig workers quite possibly don't, or at least it's a significant effort for them to.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by TeMPOraL »

NavinF wrote: post #480
scrps wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

Are you trolling? In-garage delivery is obviously an optional feature and one that usually costs extra (Eg Walmart InHome is $20/mo)

It's a feature that benefits Amazon more than the customer, but that's OK. Problem is, it comes with significant undisclosed extra costs, that GP listed. Were Amazon and Chamberlain to honestly disclose these costs, I doubt anyone would be willing to adopt this "feature" - which should be quite telling.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by godelski »

scrps wrote: post #447
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

I also find a bit of irony given how much fraud there is on Amazon's own website. There's got to be far cheaper solutions that result in far higher revenues. Of course Chamberlain doesn't have access to this revenue stream, but I'm sure there are other things that they can do like charging for an API key or better yet, charging Amazon for an enterprise token (which users can disable!). Since it seems they're willing to take on the security risks... because the current solution clearly doesn't actually resolve the issue. I can't imagine anyone that understands how to use HA wouldn't understand how to use ratgdo so I'm not sure they're realistically changing revenue outcomes.

About Amazon, how fucking hard is it to use a fucking Naive Bayes classifier to just check if product title or description changes significantly? Hell, do it with Babbage or some other (not L)LM that's cheap as fuck. We already have clear leaks showing that they fuck over sellers with their price lockins, are you really hurting them more by dropping all those product reviews? You can also do way better by using an image classifier. I have a hard time believing a company that's bragging about how many robots it uses in its warehouses and replaces shitty support with even shittier LLMs is not going to actually result in higher profits by doing this. A few returns probably covers the cost because shipping is expensive (something they already don't get right. Haven't had 2 day prime delivered in 2 days since 2018...)

Also, anyone else find it weird that stores on Amazon don't list all their products? Like you can click on the store page from the product and then that product is nowhere to be found. Want to reduce scams? Force the listing of their entire product directory. I already can't rely on reviews, you just are making it harder to trust you.

I really do wish there was a halfway decent alternative to Amazon. Even Target and Walmart's online stores are more attractive, just limited. But this seems to be a generally sucky space and I don't understand why. Don't even get me started on NewEgg...

> Money is one hell of a drug because they are high.

They're so high they're even turning down higher profits. But I guess the issue is caring FAR more about short term profits (quarterly statements) than long term (hell, even a fucking year). I really don't get this metric hacking bullshit bureaucracy we've built (and its not just isolated to the US or the West).

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by dxf »

WheatMillington wrote: post #488

Why do people want their garage door to be connected to the internet?

I can easily see the status of my garage door (open or closed) from anywhere. Solves the problem of "Did I forget to close the garage door?" (and the number of times the answer to that question is "Yes" is > 0).

I can open the door from anywhere to let someone in if they've forgotten their keys (times I've done this is > 0).

I can enter the house through the garage if I've forgotten my keys (times I've done this is > 0).

I have given access to my house to a houseguest without giving them a set of keys to my house; I easily revoked this access when they left.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by TeMPOraL »

singleshot_ wrote: post #487
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

I am suspicious of the idea that fraud could somehow be reduced by allowing gig workers access to the interior of my home. Somehow this seems an awful lot like a multibillion dollar company offloading work on me.

> Somehow this seems an awful lot like a multibillion dollar company offloading work on me.

That's most of the tech industry in a nutshell. From the office suite through all the "self-service" web/mobile interfaces, self-service checkouts in stores, to stuff like this - it's all making you do the work that was previously done by full-time professionals. It's a net loss of efficiency, and it only looks otherwise because salaries of full-time professionals are legible to bean-counters, while the same workload redistributed in tiny bits to masses of people is invisible in balance sheets.

In short: I'm starting to believe that most of the "improvements" that came with software are actually just accounting tricks, and this is why actual performance gains don't seem to track expected gains.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by blitz_skull »

dheera wrote: post #476
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

I just connected my garage door opener to Home Assistant by taking apart a paired remote and wiring the button to a Zigbee relay. They can't stop me, no part of this is connected to their cloud. In any case, smart home stuff should never rely on the cloud. https://i.imgur.com/lNOXdhe.jpg If you have a Chamberlain garage door opener and looking to connect it to HA you can do this too.

This is genius. As someone who is familiar-enough with minor electronics to fuck something up, but not confident enough to look at this photo and go for it—what am I trying to learn here? What are the terms I'm trying to google to figure out how to connect to via ?

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by blitz_skull »

ranting-moth wrote: post #70

> We understand that this impacts a small percentage of users, ... Wow, what a contemptuous statement. I have news for you, Chamberlain Group. You are not only alienating, being hostile and losing a "Small percentage of users" (most companies would prefer to call them "valued customers", but I get it). You are causing an enormous permanent damage to your own brand.

Yeah, fuck these guys big time. I'm literally going to sell my garage door opener and buy a new because of this.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by TeMPOraL »

rvba wrote: post #460
spdustin wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've ever added "delivery notes" to an order, they're automatically shared with every subsequent order. Clear out the delivery notes on your next order.

I cannot change my delivery address on amazon. I once bought a book delivered to a company (where I dont work anymore) and this address cannot be deleted. Multi billion company. LOL On a side note, Amazon's interface is so much worse than Allegro

> On a side note, Amazon's interface is so much worse than Allegro

No kidding. Allegro isn't perfect, and seems to get worse every iteration, but they're miles ahead. Amazon - they're down there with eBay, worse than AliExpress. I literally only order Kindle books from Amazon, and that's only because I mastered the "google a book, switch to Kindle edition, click the 'buy with one click' button" flow, which they managed to not break just yet.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by TeMPOraL »

NavinF wrote: post #482
CodeWriter23 wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only there were some kind of information processing device that could automatically expire codes after a set period of time.

You still need an API for getting new codes. If you're willing to switch apps and manually generate a new code every time you order something online, you likely don't order often enough to be relevant to any e-commerce company

The problem should be inverted - use the package tracking number as code. This way, every code is unique, hard to guess, and the delivery person has it literally printed on the box. Being able to update the lock with expected tracking numbers is something that could be done simply and via local network.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by derefr »

scrps wrote: post #447
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

> How about amazon builds (at their expense) an amazon controlled box, slap a mcu on, do authentication over nfc, rfid, etc etc. Offer it to customers free of charge, hell throw in a sweetener to get them to adopt.

I mean, they already do exactly this — this is what Amazon Lockers are. It's just only seemingly worth it to Amazon to deploy them to commercial customers, e.g. at post offices, in front of Whole Foods locations, in some very large apartment building complexes, etc.

(My own guess as to why the economics don't work out for individual residences, is that a hypothetical smaller locker — one small enough to fit on a porch — would also inherently be lightweight enough for thieves to just cart away wholesale.)

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