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Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Half a ton cargo capacity? That’s like the weight of what, 2 fat people? A ton is 1000 lb, right?

A ton has always meant 1000 lb to me and my Texas education - ya'll are dreaming when you mention 2200 lbs or whatever.

Are you for real or just joshin’?

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

#62

Wish we could have shit like this in the US but we can't because the EPA and regulators are too busy making bank.

You're a fool if you think the EPA is at fault. A 2022 Ford F-series catalytic converter costs $824 at retail, much less in volume. The average car in the USA is 12 years old so that's $70 per year per car to have a catalytic converter. Each year almost 300,000 early deaths (1 in 1100) people are prevented by EPA pollution controls. People tend to die about 10 years early from air pollution deaths (MIT - 2013). The return on investment is estimated to be 30:1.

https://www.epa.gov/clean-air-act-overview/benefits-and-cost...

Air Pollution dropped 77% from 1970 - 2020. Assuming that early deaths scale up and down linearly with air pollution, I calculate (***) that this should result in the average person living at least 3.8 months longer, at a cost of $70/yr, or a rate of $266/yr for a longer life. What rate would YOU pay annually to live a year longer?

A gym membership costs at least $500 annually (including travel and equipment) and yields an average 3.4-year increase in life expectancy, but you spend 150 minutes a week exercising which is 1.6 waking-years engaged in exercising ... so the net is $500 annually for 1.8 net years of extra (free-time) of life, or $277/yr annually to live a year longer?

=== Footnotes ===

(***) - https://news.mit.edu/2013/study-air-pollution-causes-200000-...

According to a 2013 MIT study the death rate from air pollution is 200,000 per year in the USA, and people die about a decade too soon, so 2M years of lifetime are lost per year. 1/70th of our country dies each year which is 4.7m people. So if air pollution were eradicated from 2013 levels, people would get to live about 5.1 months (12 * 2m/4.7m) longer, at a cost of only $70/car/yr over their lifetime as adults. Air pollution is down 77% from peak, so If I take 0.77 of 5.1 months I get 3.9 months. In 2020 air pollution was already less than half of 1970 levels so the savins are actually much, much higher.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1137375/air-pollution-de....

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

#63
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This can't be right. Maybe it is, but it makes no sense. The 90s Frontier is a tiny little thing, almost what a Kei truck is today. Same with the Ranger. An El Camino is bigger. I bought a base Frontier in 2017, wanting that tiny truck but ended up with something the size of a 90s F150. Literally the smallest option on the market, whose weak-ass v4 struggles to haul its own weight (and has the turning radius of an ai…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azI3nqrHEXM TL;DW: In 2008 CAFE introduced a formula that calculates the required MPG based off of the track times the wheelbase (basically the rectangle formed by the tires). Trucks are less aerodynamic than sedans, so small trucks can't be made that get sufficiently low MPG to meet this standard, and thus even though a smaller truck would use less fuel than a larger truck that meets…

Am I missing something or is this regulation as dumb as I think it is? It seems to have the effect of replacing a bunch of small trucks on the road with giant trucks that get much worse mileage overall.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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In the US, we have an imperial ton of precisely 2000lb. A metric ton is commonly heard, but always specified.

Metric tonne.

For additional confusion's sake, I got it wrong - It's not an "Imperial" ton in the US, but a "Customary" ton. There's also a British "Imperial" ton, and sometime called the "Long ton" (whereas the US Customary unit is also called the "Short ton". The Imperial Ton is 2240 pounds, which if you're dyslexic is the same as the Metric Ton's 2204.6 pounds.

Don't forget the metric fucktonne, as well.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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> Oooh, I would _absolutely_ buy one of these to tow with. From an outsider, that's the thing that baffles me the most about the current state of the whole world's auto industry. Sometimes it seems that all auto makers are colluding to prevent any competition based on price, and are instead invested in forcing this notion that the only possible consumer pressure is on seeking luxury features like onboard computers, t…

> A vehicle's primary use is take people and objects from point A to B, and do so reliably Car longevity increased a ton in the last several decades years, and so "something that moves" isn't as central a motivation for new car sales anymore. If they just need something that moves, buyers can find countless used cars that still run and will keep doing so for hundreds of thousands of more miles. It's tough to compete…

Dude the delta between new and used cars right now is virtually nothing. You can get a 2012 tacoma with 200k miles on it for like 28k or a brand new 2023 tacoma for 35k. New is a better deal just based on the projected mechanical life of the car. Dont need fancy features to sell it

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

#67

In other words, a pickup truck! Not a giant SUV masquerading as one, with a 5ft bed and 5-passenger luxury car cab, with price to match. I'm old enough to remember normal pickup trucks, affordable for actual "work" use, with bench seating for three, full 8x4 bed with half ton cargo capacity and not much else.

I want a 15+ year old truck with this exact configuration as beater for dump and hardware/Lanscaping runs. They are virtually impossible to locate.

Yep. Their owners run them until they die because there is no replacement.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

#68

In other words, a pickup truck! Not a giant SUV masquerading as one, with a 5ft bed and 5-passenger luxury car cab, with price to match. I'm old enough to remember normal pickup trucks, affordable for actual "work" use, with bench seating for three, full 8x4 bed with half ton cargo capacity and not much else.

Half a ton cargo capacity? That’s like the weight of what, 2 fat people? A ton is 1000 lb, right?

A ton is 2000lb.

So...five 400lb people

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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People don't even realize that the government agencies responsible for saving us from "climate change" are the same ones causing absolutely stupid issues like this.

Why the scare quotes? Are we still pretending climate change isn't real? The rest of your point is totally valid (CAFE is a textbook example of well-intentioned regulations backfiring spectacularly). But the climate denier nonsense kinda spoils the message.

> Are we still pretending climate change isn't real?

We are pretending that what the government is interested in isn't climate change.

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