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Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by kayfox »

Kye wrote: post #82
pavlov wrote: post #13

The Financial Times [1] has attendee numbers: “About 2,250 people attended the Saturday evening party at a cruise terminal, said organiser Yuga Labs, one of the pioneers in this market. Since then, more than a dozen have posted on social media complaining of a burning sensation in the eyes and sometimes also impaired vision.” Honestly that’s a lot more proud Bored Ape bagholders than I would have guessed. But what do…

That's about the attendance of an average furry convention (or roughly one NordicFuzzCon) where the A/V crew will know what they're doing with the lights. Questionable ideas and their events and services struggle to attract competent staff for some reason. They're always getting hacked or melting faces.

We (furry con A/V) care a lot about safety, so there's no way you'd see UV-C lamps at a furry con dance. We also measure sound levels and keep them in check, have free water stations around the room, have medical trained security staff around, keep an eye on the crowd, etc.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by shwaj »

actionfromafar wrote: post #244
sfrinlan wrote: post #68

"Richard, these are real people with real crotches, and they're burning."

Burning crotches?!

Quote from Silicon Valley sitcom. Probably intended as a response to a different post, not as a top-level post.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by Nursie »

rospaya wrote: post #148
pavlov wrote: post #13

The Financial Times [1] has attendee numbers: “About 2,250 people attended the Saturday evening party at a cruise terminal, said organiser Yuga Labs, one of the pioneers in this market. Since then, more than a dozen have posted on social media complaining of a burning sensation in the eyes and sometimes also impaired vision.” Honestly that’s a lot more proud Bored Ape bagholders than I would have guessed. But what do…

I'm more interested in the gender distribution.

https://twitter.com/CryptoTurkweb3/status/172136398921162773...

Looks almost exclusively male to me.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by echelon »

phkahler wrote: post #128
krsdcbl wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brilliant and truly innovative stage design, mounting the "do not ever look into those" scan lasers vertically, at head height ... ...

There are regulations on that stuff in some countries. A friend of mine is in lighting and says their company generally avoids lasers due to the hassle of compliance.

To a broad degree, the industry self-regulates and comes up with its own safety mechanisms, guidelines, hardware and software controls, etc.

I used to be a member of ILDA [1], which developed a number of the protocols, serialization formats, and safety measures. They'll certify hardware and operators, and they'll kick out members that engage in crowd scanning. They don't really have much of an enforcement mechanism, though.

In the US, the FDA and FAA have regulations on laser displays [2]. You're supposed to apply for variance, but many smaller venues and operators skip this outright.

It can be incredibly dangerous if care isn't taken. These multi-watt lasers can easily burn holes into things, with your tissues being among the easiest.

These folks were clearly crowd scanning at eye level.

[1] https://www.ilda.com

[2] https://www.lasershowsafety.info/us-laws.html

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by kayfox »

anon84873628 wrote: post #291
seanp2k2 wrote: post #256

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oof, yeah those were powerful UV-C disinfecting bulbs. I've got half a dozen Elektralite eyeBall UV fixtures that I use for parties in conjunction with other lights, which are 18x3w 385nm UV LEDs per fixture. I don't stare directly into them as they're pretty intense, but they're still firmly in UV-A territory and don't hurt your eyes. They do light up anything fluorescent super bright though! - UVA (315-400 nanomete…

Since you are familiar with the topic: So now when I go to a place with blacklights, how do I know someone didn't get confused (or is just ignorant) and used bulbs that can burn my eyes? Thanks.

If the blacklights are LEDs they are UV-A and safe. UV-C LEDs exist, but they are so expensive noone would make a stage lighting fixture out of them.

If they are fluorescent tubes that look kinda purple, black or really deep blue when off, they are UV-A and safe. These tubes use a phosphor to convert UV-C light to UV-A light and are made of wood's glass to filter out all but that UV-A light.

If they are fluorescent tubes that are clear, they are UV-C and unsafe.

Theres a third type that uses phosphor and regular glass that emits UV-A and some white light, but those are almost never seen in stage lighting fixtures.

There are also UV-A arc lamps like the Wildfire IronArc series, which are safe as long as they have the dark purple wood's glass filter installed on them (these lamps do not ship without such a filter, but sometimes you encounter used ones that the filter was broken in or otherwise removed).

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by qwertox »

rideontime wrote: post #233
sandworm101 wrote: post #215

Green lasers. Not the first time ive seen this sort of thing. Green lasers are made by running an IR laser through a crystal that doubles thier frequency, shifting IR into what we see as green light. But go cheap on the crystal and a green laser pumps out invisible IR possibly in a slightly different direction than the visible beam. Your eyes dont even blink because they dont see the IR. You dont notice the damage an…

Source for "green lasers"? All the reporting I've seen says that they used disinfectant-grade UV lamps as blacklights. https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1721602536225091716

I'm currently limited to mobile, so I don't have he link. Yesterday I got recommended a green laser at freezing temp YouTube video which was interesting. Basically at low temps green lasers are no longer visible because they shift to strong uv light, this includes Christmas decoration lasers which people put in front of their houses. So you think it's off, but it may be cooking your eyes.

So I guess that if they used some shady lasers at the party, it's entirely possible.

I think I also burned my eyes a bit while tinkering with LEDs, I had a pain in them and since then see bad at night. I avoid watching into LEDs at any cost since then.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by Nursie »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #251
bragr wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Honestly that’s a lot more proud Bored Ape bagholders than I would have guessed The breakdown of locals vs people that flew in would be revealing. e.g. passionate owners vs cryto-casual hongkongers looking for a party.

According to the Zeke Faux book "Number Go Up", one needs to "own" a Bored Ape YC NFT to be admitted. The author had to pay $20,000 for one of these in order to gain admission to this event.

In this case there appear to be other ways. Ape holders could '+1' for the whole three-day event for $269 (US$ I think).

It also appears[1] that the party was after an open day of sorts, and you could buy tickets[2] for the open day and party for 388HK$ (about $50 US).

It is a little hard to tell exactly what the open house included and whether it gave access to the event that had the problem, so I could be wrong.

[1] https://www.artazine.com/news/apefest-2023-nft-bored-ape-yac... [2] https://openhouse.boredapeyachtclub.com/

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by kyleyeats »

acjohnson55 wrote: post #250
silisili wrote: post #227

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> two guys from Florida And that's all I need to know. I avoid buying from, selling to, or doing business with anyone from FL if I can, I've been burnt too many times. I'm not sure if the state attracts shady characters, or produces them, or both.

I would hope that this is a forum where we can do better than broad generalizations about a place with over 20 million people.

As someone from Florida, I'm disappointed. I clicked in here for some cryptobro hate.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by ceejayoz »

codetrotter wrote: post #333
matteoraso wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, NFTs technically have nothing to do with images, or files at all. The way it works is that you write a random string and save it on a blockchain, which becomes the NFT. From there, you can use a lookup table to map the NFT to a URL that links to an image that's stored on the owner's server. NFTs are truly the worst of all grifts.

> you write a random string and save it on a blockchain, which becomes the NFT. From there, you can use a lookup table to map the NFT to a URL that links to an image that's stored on the owner's server The way which they are mapped to images vary from NFT to NFT. But let's look at Bored Ape Yacht Club specifically. Collection https://opensea.io/collection/boredapeyachtclub Pick a random bored ape. For example #1337.…

{"trait_type":"Eyes","value":"Bloodshot"} is a particularly well-chosen example here.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by pauselaugh »

endofreach wrote: post #311
hbbio wrote: post #292

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"in my opinion to be way more likely" I have no data but still, here's my bias.

It is so annoying... ehag do people believe "in my opinion" means? Also: is everything you believe actually based on facts? If not, by posting your comment just showed a whole bunch of biases that are secretly controlling you.

in customer experience design the user's perception is objective reality.

so it's not "i have no data but here's my bias," it's "anecdote IS the singular of data, not only that, but data doesn't matter: what matters is what happened to me."

i can't imagine going to a movie theater and getting your arm lopped off by a whirling sawblade, but since you have no data on the frequency of it, your anecdote is an inaccurate overgeneralization, and you should not dare to assert that an entity that throws raves that burn and blind people are more likely to jump into trends recklessly with such limited information.

I don't have a spreadsheet handy, but I will say that entities that consider these types of happenings as good investments are trying to embody the "don't miss out on being cool at the cool party" moreso than the "there is no party because we are interested in having a conservative and responsible image to bolster our solid technological foundation" side of the spectrum.

I'll get back to you after I get back from the ayahuasca + squirrel wingsuit base jump retreat my retirement fund manager is holding

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