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Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by userbinator »

endgame wrote: post #230

There's no reason the party with unsafe UV lights had to be a crypto-party. While I'm no NFT bagholder, it bothers me that the article is mostly about dunking on cryptobros than talking about the dangers of hazardous lighting rigs at a show. At any event, how is an attendee supposed to assess such a thing? It's not like you can DYOR.

At any event, how is an attendee supposed to assess such a thing?

If you see clear tubes emitting a light blue glow, close your eyes and get away ASAP.

One of the few positive things about the pandemic may be that it's educated lot more people on what UVC lamps look like, as they're often used --- away from people --- for sterilisation purposes.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by rainsford »

endgame wrote: post #263
rainsford wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At any event, how is an attendee supposed to assess such a thing? It's not like you can DYOR. That's why I think the cryptobro angle is relevant to the story, because assessing trust in the folks putting on a conference is the way for attendees to figure out if they're likely to be blinded by the lighting or face other issues. And the type of people the whole cryptocurrency and especially NFT scene attract seem at…

> That's why I think the cryptobro angle is relevant to the story That's an interesting perspective, and reminds me a bit of the "libertarian paradise" at the end of http://bitsim.beepboopbitcoin.com/ . But the fact that it's framed more as a dunk than as genuine sympathy for those affected reminds me of other anti-crypto reporting like "Line Go Up" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g ). Which makes it real…

I would actually tend to agree. I think the organizers deserve all the scorn and dunking in the world, but I'm less comfortable about that framing for those impacted. "Conference organized by the monkey JPG people" should be a major red flag, but it wasn't a red flag for the target audience for probably the same reason "monkey JPG" wasn't in the first place.

Similar to the Fyre Festival, the real villains are the scammers (or idiots, if you're giving them the benefit of the doubt) running the show, not the people who fall victim to the scam. Cryptocurrency and NFTs fall into that category where I think recognizing the BS requires a level of technical knowledge that is unreasonable to expect everyone to have. Dunking on people who don't get the technical argument for why NFTs and the people promoting them are BS does not feel like the way.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by [deleted] »

autokad wrote: post #225
GuB-42 wrote: post #103

There have been stories of venues using UVC (germicidal) lamps because they looked pretty and fit standard fixtures. It resulted in sunburns and lots or eye pain. I don't know if that's what happened there, but I think that using the same fixtures for dangerous yet pretty looking germicidal lamps and regular lighting is not the smartest idea.

the article I read on google news said they believed lights used for cleaning may have been used, so yeah

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Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by gryn »

komali2 wrote: post #237
LelouBil wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait what, I thought it was at least the hash of the image or something.

Since finding this out a couple years back it's always my delight to see this realization happen for others. We knew NFTs were stupid... we just couldn't comprehend how incredibly stupid they actually are.

What baffling is how did they get this popular ? Plenty of stupid things to go around, why this specific one? Who was the marketing genius that convinced a critical mass to buy something worse than sand in the middle of the desert.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by pauselaugh »

southerntofu wrote: post #171
astrange wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more like a way to trick farmers into producing food for you even though you don't right that second have something they want.

I don't think that's it. They have to do it because they themselves have bills to pay. However, if we're not talking about big industrial farms, most farmers are very much below the poverty line and have massive debt. So it's not exactly a facilitator of mutually-beneficial transactions, but rather a pyramid scheme. Who will profit from the food sale? The middlemen. Who will profit from the little money that the farm…

astrange had the right context but characterized it not-so-correctly. Modern agriculture's origin involved power structures where farmers were forced to be unable to be self-reliant, and would instead trade their crops at a market to get the other things they needed. The powers that be then had a nice, centralized place to take their cut and exchanges to offramp goods into currency. we're seeing it all over again with crypto via fiat reliance

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by sandworm101 »

endgame wrote: post #230

There's no reason the party with unsafe UV lights had to be a crypto-party. While I'm no NFT bagholder, it bothers me that the article is mostly about dunking on cryptobros than talking about the dangers of hazardous lighting rigs at a show. At any event, how is an attendee supposed to assess such a thing? It's not like you can DYOR.

Because part of cryptobro culture is thinking you know more than anyone else, and projecting an image of access to secret insider knowledge. Likely one of them just decided to be a lighting designer because they thought they new more than the professionals.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by hunter2_ »

sandworm101 wrote: post #257
rideontime wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source for "green lasers"? All the reporting I've seen says that they used disinfectant-grade UV lamps as blacklights. https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1721602536225091716

The footage ive seen had a few green lasers scanning. UV causes cornia damage, but not the headaches. IR lasers cause headaches, strange pains that the body doesnt understand and get interpreted as headaches. If this was only UV, most anyone wearing glasses should have been protected as most modern glasses have substantial UV protection. IR protection is more rare in eyewear, although rather common in automotive glas…

So when I roll down a car window and feel the radiant heat of the sun more intensely than when the window is up, is that difference primarily due to the glass filtering UV or IR?

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by hannasanarion »

endgame wrote: post #263
rainsford wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At any event, how is an attendee supposed to assess such a thing? It's not like you can DYOR. That's why I think the cryptobro angle is relevant to the story, because assessing trust in the folks putting on a conference is the way for attendees to figure out if they're likely to be blinded by the lighting or face other issues. And the type of people the whole cryptocurrency and especially NFT scene attract seem at…

> That's why I think the cryptobro angle is relevant to the story That's an interesting perspective, and reminds me a bit of the "libertarian paradise" at the end of http://bitsim.beepboopbitcoin.com/ . But the fact that it's framed more as a dunk than as genuine sympathy for those affected reminds me of other anti-crypto reporting like "Line Go Up" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g ). Which makes it real…

Helping people get out is not the only purpose for media about a thing. Informing people who aren't in it is also legitimate news, and can be important if the people outside need to know what's going on inside so that they don't get taken in in the first place.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by sandworm101 »

hunter2_ wrote: post #277
sandworm101 wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The footage ive seen had a few green lasers scanning. UV causes cornia damage, but not the headaches. IR lasers cause headaches, strange pains that the body doesnt understand and get interpreted as headaches. If this was only UV, most anyone wearing glasses should have been protected as most modern glasses have substantial UV protection. IR protection is more rare in eyewear, although rather common in automotive glas…

So when I roll down a car window and feel the radiant heat of the sun more intensely than when the window is up, is that difference primarily due to the glass filtering UV or IR?

Much automotive glass filters (reflects) IR, and also absorbs UV. Each UV ray is "higher energy" but the sun pumps out vastly more IR than UV. You cannot immediately feel the UV on your skin, not until it gives you a sunburn. You are feeling the IR that was previously blocked by the automotive glass.

Interestingly, glass on military vehicles generally does not filter IR. You need IR if you ever want to use nightvision equipment.

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