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The new headache for bosses: Employees aren't quitting

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Re: The new headache for bosses: Employees aren't quitting

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The number of articles reaching absurdity. Has it always been this way and I am just more aware? 1. People are paid too much 2. No one wants to work 3. They are quiet quitting/lazy girl jobs 4. We have lower unemployment than ever 5. Everyone's getting laid off 6. No one is quitting

To be fair, it does feel like a lot of the quotes in the article are also kind of looking at this through a joking "first-world problems" angle. But that doesn't mean it's any less comical to read an article where bosses now complain that their employees are too loyal.

Even written in a joking manner, it's kind of galling after being told for years that the problem with young workers is that they job hopped and nobody liked that to now see the WSJ ask, "why aren't you hopping jobs more?" It's just so transparent that no matter what the workers do, it's going to be treated as wrong. The WSJ doesn't actually want any specific behavior from workers, it wants something to complain about.

Re: The new headache for bosses: Employees aren't quitting

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Horrible bosses and cut-throat capitalist business practices are totally bipartisan.

Fair enough, so their audience also includes the crypto-Republican wing of the Democratic party.

>also includes the crypto-Republican wing of the Democratic party.

Yeah, or, as it's better known, the Democratic Party leadership.

It's just neoliberal capitalism with token social concerns as trinkets (Dems), or neoliberal capitalism with token convervative concerns as trinkets (Reps).

Re: The new headache for bosses: Employees aren't quitting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough, so their audience also includes the crypto-Republican wing of the Democratic party.

> also includes the crypto-Republican wing of the Democratic party. Yeah, or, as it's better known, the Democratic Party leadership. It's just neoliberal capitalism with token social concerns as trinkets (Dems), or neoliberal capitalism with token convervative concerns as trinkets (Reps).

I see that we actually agree with each other here.

Re: The new headache for bosses: Employees aren't quitting

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Nobody is quitting because jobs are more competitive than 5 years ago. This looks like yet another WSJ hit piece on the lower classes. The company management isn't to blame for people getting fired, it's the workers (who perform) not quitting. Those pesky workers make it so hard for a company to always look like the good guy. They really are always the good guy, obviously.

I would add that this creates the problem, which I think most tech companies have forgotten about: if you try to attrition out staff and the market is competitive, you'll only attrition out your best employees. Last place I was at everyone was starting to get really frustrated with the way management was handling projects and all but one person on my team wanted to quit. The problem is that the talent on the team was…

attritioning out staff is one of the dumbest strategies imaginable- it's not a good job when the market isn't competitive either because your highest performers are STILL going to be the first go and you can't even replace them.

It never works but companies always try it and then HAVE to do a shady layoff just to rebalance their teams.

Re: The new headache for bosses: Employees aren't quitting

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Nobody is quitting because jobs are more competitive than 5 years ago. This looks like yet another WSJ hit piece on the lower classes. The company management isn't to blame for people getting fired, it's the workers (who perform) not quitting. Those pesky workers make it so hard for a company to always look like the good guy. They really are always the good guy, obviously.

One life lesson I learned the hard way is that even if you're stuck in the most toxic workplace imaginable, never quit your job (unless you have an offer elsewhere). Fight back. Make them fire you. Don't start smearing shit on the walls or watching porn during meetings, just do the job so poorly that keeping you there is an expensive headache. I once worked for two scammers and generally try to be a good employee. Ye…

> Make them fire you. Don't start smearing shit on the walls or watching porn during meetings, just do the job so poorly that keeping you there is an expensive headache.

what is the point exactly in doing job poorly and make them fire you>,,

Re: The new headache for bosses: Employees aren't quitting

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Pet theory: real wages in tech have dropped since pandemic levels, so for the first time in years staying in your job (provided you got it a few years ago) is better financially than switching. The sector was pretty accustomed to constant churn, so this sticking with it is pretty unusual.

I'm seeing old co-workers on linkedin that got caught up in this, they switched during the pandemic, some to positions and salaries I assume were inflated from knowing them previously. Once the layoffs hit they started looking for jobs with the same title/salary and there's was nothing.

I'm one of those who didn't switch, I thought I was making a mistake, now? New hires are coming in and being offered a little more than pre-pandemic pay. Below what I'm making now for the same position.

Re: The new headache for bosses: Employees aren't quitting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One life lesson I learned the hard way is that even if you're stuck in the most toxic workplace imaginable, never quit your job (unless you have an offer elsewhere). Fight back. Make them fire you. Don't start smearing shit on the walls or watching porn during meetings, just do the job so poorly that keeping you there is an expensive headache. I once worked for two scammers and generally try to be a good employee. Ye…

> Make them fire you. Don't start smearing shit on the walls or watching porn during meetings, just do the job so poorly that keeping you there is an expensive headache. what is the point exactly in doing job poorly and make them fire you>,,

To be able to file for unemployment, and best case they give you a severance, or at minimum pay you for your vacation days. It will depend on your circumstance, but there are certainly benefits.
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