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Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by throw_m239339 »

deng wrote: post #56
cedws wrote: post #43

I realise Berghain et al are trying to protect themselves from the riff raff, but enforcing a stupid "techno uniform" and turning away half their potential customers for arbitrary reasons probably doesn't help their business. I went to Berlin earlier this year and didn't even try to get into Berghain because I don't want to waste time queuing only to be turned away. In London we have some excellent clubs that don't c…

Actually, Berghain does it pretty well. Usually the bouncers walk the line and already tell people when they definitely will not get in. This avoids a lot of drama at the door, and people don't have to wait needlessly and can still comfortably go someplace else. Berghain is one of the most famous clubs in the world. It has and cultivates an underground image, which is why people want to go there in the first place. Y…

> It has and cultivates an underground image,

There is absolutely nothing underground about Berghain and that fake ass techno revival, not since the last 15 years.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by throw_m239339 »

coldtea wrote: post #13

The ones that arbitrarily didn't let people get in when they were in their peak? Fuck them!

> The ones that arbitrarily didn't let people get in when they were in their peak? Fuck them!

As someone who isn't white I can't stand clubs and the thought of being rejected because of how I look. It happened to me 90% of the time when I was young trying to enter these clubs, so new I just go to shows where I pre-paid my tickets. I haven't stepped foot in a club for years. The racism at the door of these prestigious clubs is/was simply insane.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by nudgeee »

cedws wrote: post #46
this_user wrote: post #38

> "Berlin nightlife is very free," he says. "It's trying to push artistic boundaries. It's trying to push personal boundaries. It's trying to let people experience music, art and culture with some rules. But those rules are created to have no rules." I'm not sure this guy could be more pretentious if he tried. Maybe they should consider that this kind of attitude might be part of the problem.

DVS1 is definitely pretentious, but he's got the skills to back it up. Very good DJ.

He’s the real deal, he also started Aslice [0] to fix the broken state of music earnings between DJs and producers.

[0] https://aslice.com/

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

ulizzle wrote: post #117
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"it wasn't better back then, you were just younger" - unknown internet pundit

They actually were better back then which is what drives people crazy. I think it’s because the older generations (us) didn’t put any value in tradition, so we weren’t able to preserve ours.

Your logic requires, it seems, that things have been getting worse for ever.

Or is there some point where you think cohort "value in tradition" was different?

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by pvarangot »

xwdv wrote: post #128
RamblingCTO wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. Techno was a safe space and you could be as freaky as you want without fear of repercussions.

Can you give an example? It seems like being freaky just means dancing like a crazy person. Hardly much repercussion for that.

No they can't give an example because it's a safe space

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by PedroBatista »

FFP999 wrote: post #9
3seashells wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never over as long as there is a industrial ruin, a speaker and a glowstick. The rest is just the clubs that ate the raves. Nothing of value was lost.

It'll never be over--it's just Berlin will no longer be the capital of it. Actually would not be terribly surprised if the party moves to San Francisco next.

This type of cultural movements require some deep genuine ethos.

Rich kids on Adderall who dream of startups and VC rounds do not qualify, no matter how much they pretend not to be finance jerk-offs in shorts and sandals, reality is not on the side of SF being the center of anything like this.

Any Rustbelt city has 100% more chances than SF and California in general.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by [deleted] »

jeffbee wrote: post #15
FFP999 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll never be over--it's just Berlin will no longer be the capital of it. Actually would not be terribly surprised if the party moves to San Francisco next.

San Francisco is the least party city imaginable. There is probably a better dance scene in Moscow, Idaho then there is in SF.

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Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by gautamcgoel »

cedws wrote: post #43

I realise Berghain et al are trying to protect themselves from the riff raff, but enforcing a stupid "techno uniform" and turning away half their potential customers for arbitrary reasons probably doesn't help their business. I went to Berlin earlier this year and didn't even try to get into Berghain because I don't want to waste time queuing only to be turned away. In London we have some excellent clubs that don't c…

I heard the exact opposite about London clubs - my friend told me they find all kinds of stupid reasons not to let you in.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by threeseed »

xwdv wrote: post #128
RamblingCTO wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. Techno was a safe space and you could be as freaky as you want without fear of repercussions.

Can you give an example? It seems like being freaky just means dancing like a crazy person. Hardly much repercussion for that.

There is a lot of heavy drug use.

And there are areas in Berghain that are more like a sex/fetish club than a night club.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by projectazorian »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #2

You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture…

It’s all just status. You can wear whatever you want and if you’ve got clout with the staff, or if you’re with someone else who is high status, you’ll get in.

Otherwise it’s a coin flip unless you’re clearly intoxicated, belligerent, etc.

Same as it ever was. You just didn’t recognize it because you were younger and in clubland youth is the only status currency that’s zero effort to acquire.

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