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Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by neom »

Blahah wrote: post #91
cedws wrote: post #58

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Berghain has created the problem of being a tourist magnet for itself by being exclusive. As someone who loves techno, I'd much rather everybody gets to join in and enjoy themselves instead of just those who meet the bar. As long as you establish rules, like no photos/videos. You can't "convert" people who don't get the experience. >You don't need a "uniform", Everybody says you need to wear black. Even the tourists…

Just wearing black is not gonna get you into Berghain. The main criterion is unashamed indivual expression. If you are trying to get in by wearing a uniform you're not gonna have a good time (either in the queue or the club). I've only ever been in outfits that were colourful, and weird, and me. Beyond the outfit you are also most likely to get in if you are clearly bringing your personal uniqueness and energy to the…

I've been to Berghain quite a few times, each time I wore the same thing. black dress shoes no socks, black knee length "cut jean" shorts, and a white dress shirt 3 buttons undone. Never had any issues, I got the impression your vibe matters a lot more than how you're dressed? I love Berghain, it's great spot, crazy how kind and fun everyone is when you're in there.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by quchen »

api wrote: post #5
RamblingCTO wrote: post #2

You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture…

The “main character” TikTok culture is the most annoying thing in popular culture right now. Well that and maybe the cringey YouTube pranksters that deserve to be punched and sometimes are. Maybe the clubs could do something to make it a bad environment to make TikTok videos, like bombing the place with extremely bright flashing lights at a frequency that humans can’t see but that interferes with most phone cameras?…

I know clubs that simply have nothing worth filming inside. Nice atmosphere, not a lot of light, and the camera sticker as the cherry on top.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by Blahah »

neom wrote: post #121
Blahah wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wearing black is not gonna get you into Berghain. The main criterion is unashamed indivual expression. If you are trying to get in by wearing a uniform you're not gonna have a good time (either in the queue or the club). I've only ever been in outfits that were colourful, and weird, and me. Beyond the outfit you are also most likely to get in if you are clearly bringing your personal uniqueness and energy to the…

I've been to Berghain quite a few times, each time I wore the same thing. black dress shoes no socks, black knee length "cut jean" shorts, and a white dress shirt 3 buttons undone. Never had any issues, I got the impression your vibe matters a lot more than how you're dressed? I love Berghain, it's great spot, crazy how kind and fun everyone is when you're in there.

Agree completely about the vibe. Outfit is really just a way to read vibe, but not at all the only one. That outfit sounds like you weren't trying to be anything someone else expects, which is precisely the kind of thing that demonstrates you would be a good fit.

The culture in Berghain (and many Berlin clubs) is amazing - and part of the reason is the selectivity!

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by jliptzin »

danielfoster wrote: post #10

I’m not sure what sort of decline the article is referring to. There’s not a single reference to revenues or guest count for any club in Berlin, nor mention of any specific club in danger of closing due to lack of patronage. These clubs were great while the city was struggling, but now that it’s not, I can see why people don’t wish to tolerate the negative externalities associated with them. Hopefully most clubs can…

Yea, 3 hour lines, and then they obnoxiously don’t let you in anyway, for no obvious reason. Not shedding any tears here.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by bjorglo »

hackernewds wrote: post #32
RamblingCTO wrote: post #2

You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture…

This rings of "get off m'lawn" vibes. As a gen Z myself, I question what's wrong with "tiktok ravers" wanting to dress up and enjoy music? The whole genre will fade away if it doesn't curate to the next generation, as the originals get too creaky to dance.

I went to my first party in 1994. This type of conversation has always been a constant.

I remember people at that time complaining that it was bullshit the DJ wasn't behind a curtain like the good ol days. Even being able to see the DJ made the party too much like a rock concert and "it was ruining the scene"

There was a whole era of conversation like this that was against spinning compact discs and cdjs. A real DJ spins vinyl. CDs sound too cold and sterile and they are "ruining the scene".

When people started spinning mp3s? lol, that was apocalyptic and totally "ruining the scene".

20 years from now there will be something new "ruining the scene" unlike the good old days when people put a lot of effort into their outfit and crafted videos to post on tiktok to try to promote "the scene".

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by local_crmdgeon »

3seashells wrote: post #17
FFP999 wrote: post #9

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It'll never be over--it's just Berlin will no longer be the capital of it. Actually would not be terribly surprised if the party moves to San Francisco next.

It goes were cheap space exists. So SF not, rust belt yes, eastern Europe yes..the gentrified poker chip stack cities of the investors can not host vibrant nightlife..

Buffalo

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by local_crmdgeon »

rumori wrote: post #18

What I love about the tiktok generation is seeing them in small groups with a sizable Bluetooth boombox having fun in parks and outdoor places. No need for entrance fees and gatekeeping, they can listen to any DJ from the world live or recorded. I think clubs are overrated, small gatherings and ad hoc parties are way more interesting.

That’s incredibly annoying for people trying to enjoy the park in peace

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by xwdv »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #72
red_admiral wrote: post #20

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I think most people who go there would consider that a feature, not a bug.

Absolutely. Techno was a safe space and you could be as freaky as you want without fear of repercussions.

Can you give an example? It seems like being freaky just means dancing like a crazy person. Hardly much repercussion for that.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by local_crmdgeon »

browningstreet wrote: post #14

I used to live part time in Berlin during the recent heyday of these clubs. The city was a bit more anarchic and chaotic. There was a lot of underground things happening. I was there recently and the city felt much more subdued. Things got cleaned up. Lots of new housing. A bit more gentrified and quiet. I’m guessing the crowds aged out.

This isn’t discussed enough. Williamsburg got lame because people stayed. The complaints are about transplants but it’s those that stay and age who change the vibe

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by jamiek88 »

jdietrich wrote: post #105
RamblingCTO wrote: post #71

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I don't care. Before, people would look out for each other and treat everyone with respect, regardless of clothing and style. Tik Tok ravers tend do to the opposite. Let people die on the fucking curb, being an asshat, just go to raves to take all drugs at once. I'm no the only one who thinks that way. This is a very big debate, especially in Germany. So what's wrong with tik tok ravers? They bring their fucking cons…

If you were to ask a British raver of a certain age, they'd tell you that Berghain and Kit Kat in their prime were nothing compared to Shelley's Laserdome, Bagley's or the Doncaster Warehouse, which were themselves pale imitations of the summer of '89.

Yeah i was thinking back to Cream (and other nights) at Nation in Liverpool early nineties and the Manchester scene. Mates dj’d downstairs at Baa Bar and we were just kids really.

Some fucking great times.

Fucked my hearing though, wear earplugs at the rave, kids.

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