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You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser

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Re: You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser

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Post by CodesInChaos »

Given_47 wrote: post #47
ksec wrote: post #36

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On HN, I have once been to told to see a doctor or psychiatrist for having a few hundred tabs ( I am not making this shit up ). And it was from a pre 2013 Account. So may be you are the normal one. I mean a few years ago Firefox has telemetry to show vast 95% of people has less than 10 tabs opened. And then you have a long tail that goes from twenty to a few thousands. As a reply below i think most of us use it as re…

> I have once been to told to see a doctor or psychiatrist for having a few hundred tabs Yea that's nothing, haha. I currently have 3592 open. Like you mention, research and tab hoarding go hand in hand. Even recreational research: everyone is familiar with the wikipedia spree with its innumerable hyperlinked articles and references, and now you suddenly have 20 additional open tabs. I'll read maybe two of them, but…

I had the problem at some point, that Firefox wouldn't start anymore after an upgrade (at ~7,5k). That's was when I gave up, and fed all tabs to the one-tab extension, which saves them as links and closes the tabs. Nowadays I regularly press its save-and-close-all button, so the number of tabs stays reasonable (less than 200 or so).

Re: You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser

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Post by DennisP »

clouddrover wrote: post #29
DennisP wrote: post #27

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It's silly to require manual intervention for something so easy to automate. For those of us who accumulate hundreds of tabs, bookmarks aren't that helpful. I can't resist quoting the article: > (If you just said "bookmarks" I would like you to leave. Now.)

> For those of us who accumulate hundreds of tabs How can you "accumulate" hundreds of tabs? Just close them.

I don't want to just close them. I want to save them and have them searchable later, like I said above.

Re: You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser

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Post by fassssst »

evanjrowley wrote: post #57
fassssst wrote: post #54

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But why?

I'll try to articulate this as someone who usually has 500-1000 open tabs. Bookmarks are things that meet or surpass a certain threshold of usefulness. My open tabs probably include things that should be bookmarked, but all of that information needs to be screened for what's really worth saving. Clusters of tabs for various trains of thought take time to condense into purified bookmarks. In order for me to have less…

Doesn’t that waste a lot of electricity though given all those tabs are loaded? Do you have to buy higher end laptops to accommodate that workflow?

Re: You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser

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Post by JohnFen »

eduction wrote: post #8

What is this person actually proposing? In concrete terms? This reads like a lot of hand waving and talking in circles from someone who drank an extra pot of coffee. People have been trying to suck functionality from the web into the browser since Netscape 4.5 at least. The devil is in the details.

That was my question as well. But perhaps he intended it as a statement of principles rather than a formal recommendation.

Re: You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser

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Post by finefrenchbrit »

btilly wrote: post #68
keepamovin wrote: post #62

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> This reads like a lot of hand waving and talking in circles from someone who drank an extra pot of coffee. This reading seems too dismissive and simplistic, and not respectful of the people involved. At the base of the article: Many thanks to the following excellent people (in alphabetical order) for their invaluable feedback: Amy Guy, Benjamin Goering, Ben Harnett, Blaine Cook, Boris Mann, Brian Kardell, Brooklyn…

The point that nobody wants tabs was handwavy and extremely dismissive of the fact that I actually do like tabs. Based on my past experiences with other UX people who want me to live without a UI element that I'm attached to, I'd be willing to bet money that he's failed to understand something about how my brain actually works. And mocking people who might have my preference goes a long way to convincing me that he w…

> The point that nobody wants tabs was handwavy and extremely dismissive of the fact that I actually do like tabs.

You do NOT want tabs and you do NOT like them, but you do NOT know that. You just think you do. Open your mind up.

Re: You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser

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Post by JohnFen »

btilly wrote: post #68
keepamovin wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This reads like a lot of hand waving and talking in circles from someone who drank an extra pot of coffee. This reading seems too dismissive and simplistic, and not respectful of the people involved. At the base of the article: Many thanks to the following excellent people (in alphabetical order) for their invaluable feedback: Amy Guy, Benjamin Goering, Ben Harnett, Blaine Cook, Boris Mann, Brian Kardell, Brooklyn…

The point that nobody wants tabs was handwavy and extremely dismissive of the fact that I actually do like tabs. Based on my past experiences with other UX people who want me to live without a UI element that I'm attached to, I'd be willing to bet money that he's failed to understand something about how my brain actually works. And mocking people who might have my preference goes a long way to convincing me that he w…

I don't want tabs, for the most part. I use them for certain specialized activities, but in general, I strongly prefer using multiple browser instances in windows over tabs.

Fortunately, browsers can and do accommodate both of us. I hope they continue to do so.

Re: You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser

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Post by JohnFen »

broodbucket wrote: post #30

I read stuff like this and wonder if I'm the only one that never has more than 10 tabs open and rarely more than a single browser window. Can any tab fiends chime in about your workflow?

You're not the only one. I very rarely have more than two or three.

Re: You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser

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Post by JohnFen »

Dalewyn wrote: post #48
Izkata wrote: post #34

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I use them instead of bookmarks. Basically had two requirements to be reasonable: * Tree Style Tabs for automatic organization and collapsing into "folders" (links opened in a new tab become child tabs, the parent can be collapsed like a folder, to arbitrary depth) * Some sort of tab unloader/discarder, so memory usage stays reasonable. I only have like 10 or so root level tabs, the rest of the several hundred grew f…

>I use them instead of bookmarks. This. The hundreds of tabs I have open are bookmarks, I don't actually use them as tabs.

Oh, that's really interesting. That use case wouldn't work for me because I want to be able to access my bookmarks from any browser on any machine -- so I use a bookmark server.

Re: You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser

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Post by [deleted] »

keepamovin wrote: post #74
btilly wrote: post #68

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The point that nobody wants tabs was handwavy and extremely dismissive of the fact that I actually do like tabs. Based on my past experiences with other UX people who want me to live without a UI element that I'm attached to, I'd be willing to bet money that he's failed to understand something about how my brain actually works. And mocking people who might have my preference goes a long way to convincing me that he w…

Thanks for your clarity! While not the ancestor commenter, you lay out a criticism of that point well. I agree with you the point about tabs comes across as insensitive and lacking in empathy for people who like tabs. Take for example: For all users, tabs are the wrong answer to something people want to do: organise their information, even if it's just a small current stack of interactions Criticism of tabs is warran…

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