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People will always rationalize their not paying. Tracking, ethics, whatever. Anything other than abstaining from use, lol.
I'd gladly not use YouTube if the creators uploaded their videos somewhere else.
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NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android
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Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you watch YouTube enough you'll basically become aware of all the sponsors pretty quickly (and may even be a customer of some already!), so any exposure beyond that is a waste of time for all involved - if I didn't buy the product after seeing it 10 times, I won't buy it after seeing it the 11th either.
>if I didn't buy the product after seeing it 10 times, I won't buy it after seeing it the 11th either. There is still value to the sponser in keeping a brand fresh in your mind
well then fuckem
Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android
#113Also, checkout NewPipe with built in SponsorBlock functionality: https://github.com/polymorphicshade/NewPipe
Honestly, I do not understand why one should use this. I have recently seen some high quality YT videos, each of a length of 30-60 minutes. In those videos where some sponsors mentioned which took only one or two minutes. Seems perfectly OK for me to support the creators. I guess if many people block sponsor content, this kind of vids will die.
Really? They will die? Are you suggesting that long form video didn’t exist before YouTube sponsors?
Innovation requires disruption, which requires competition, which YouTube has none of. If you want long form video content to survive in the medium to long term it needs to be possible to make a living in a diversity of ways and not be dependent on just one provider. So in that sense supporting the existing system only serves to reinforce the failure of long form content, as eventually a system without substantial competition will move to reduce cost and eventually focus only on the more profitable short form content (which is what’s happening).
The current war between YouTube and its users wouldn’t be possible if there were any viable alternatives at all.
I would think if you really cared about long form creators you’d support platforms that paid properly and didn’t keep 45% of their revenues. Even Apple only keeps 30% and they get deeply criticized, but whenever YouTube comes up people come out defend them. And all of this happens before subscription revenue, and it doesn’t include any of the other revenue Google takes off the top like landing page ads, sponsored promotion, etc.
Long form is in danger because of YouTube’s shift towards short form video. We should be pushing for competitors and not allowing them this insanely dominant position to an entire Internet content type.
Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Luckily these people are the minority or there would be no content to begin with The vast majority of people do not pirate, and most people who pay would probably find piracy unethical to begin with.
> The vast majority of people do not pirate I would be happy to see a serious study about this. What you call piracy has been the norm for centuries and millenia for spreading culture and reinterpreting music/shows produced by other people. In the vast majority of the world (including in the global north), the budget you have for culture is low (if any) and when you have people with a computer, copying stuff is very…
this is a misleading reply because you ignore the speed and scale at which the internet allows sharing to happen. In the past, the speed of sharing was limited by communication at the time, either word of mouth, the speed of printing books etc.
If what you describe truly was the norm, then creating any sort of content for any reason would generate negative returns. This was and is rarely the case. I do not see it as unfair for content creators to be paid and to demand that you consume their content on their terms, within reason.
Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android
#115Another reason why Android is the superior phone OS.
iOS has Yattee[1]. It's technically a personal video-watching app, not a Youtube app, which you're supposed to link with your own personal video server, but the server APIs it is compatible with are the same APIs that are exposed by Invidious and Newpipe instances. This is not a coincidence. I'm sure Apple is going to delist it from the App Store at some point (App Store guidelines are just that, guidelines, and ther…
> I'm sure Apple is going to delist it from the App Store at some point (App Store guidelines are just that, guidelines, and there's no getting around them with a weird loophole like you can do with actual laws), but it works for now.
Hence F-Droid, which cannot exist on iOS.
Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but the server knows exactly what frames it has sent you and when. If you don't want to watch the ad frames there's nothing the server can do, but it can make sure to not send you the frame that comes after the ad, until the 10 seconds of the ad has passed since it sent you the last frame before the ad.
That works for pre-roll ads, forcing the client to silence them and wait at best (I believe the Twitch streaming service does this) For mid-stream ads, that doesn't work. You could pre-fetch the ad and surrounding video early, so that you can watch buffered content while the server thinks an ad is playing.
The server would need to not allow buffering further than the next ad.
Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android
#117It's almost perfect, except for the fact that I really like being able to thumbs-up videos I like, to support the creators. I feel really uncomfortable not having that option.
- So long as they give their sole custom to Google/Youtube and don't support other platforms in any way, even though it's trivial to upload an mp4 onto another platform and set the title and description same as yt, I don't feel too bad being in a tiny fraction of a minority that doesn't want to have a Google account in order to 'smash' the like button. There's no least evil to be picked here, no market forces at play…
> It's also not as though you're upvoting/liking videos other than theirs, so they won't rank lower because you didn't support them.
The math doesn't work like that—if you can't Like any videos, then all of the videos you watch have an infinitesimally smaller Liked ratio and count than they would if you could. Any given video isn't competing with all the other videos you watch, it's competing with all the other videos anywhere on the site.
Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android
#118Also, checkout NewPipe with built in SponsorBlock functionality: https://github.com/polymorphicshade/NewPipe
Honestly, I do not understand why one should use this. I have recently seen some high quality YT videos, each of a length of 30-60 minutes. In those videos where some sponsors mentioned which took only one or two minutes. Seems perfectly OK for me to support the creators. I guess if many people block sponsor content, this kind of vids will die.
I have it configured to not skip ads on a few creators who:
1- Makes good, useful content that I watch often. 2- Doesn't abuse sponsorship sections. Sponsor segment at the beginning of a video? Auto-skip. Half the video is about the sponsor? Auto-skip. Constantly gets sponsorship from spam/fraudy/irrelevant companies? Auto-skip.
For all the channels that doesn't fall into these categories: tough luck.
Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
iOS has Yattee[1]. It's technically a personal video-watching app, not a Youtube app, which you're supposed to link with your own personal video server, but the server APIs it is compatible with are the same APIs that are exposed by Invidious and Newpipe instances. This is not a coincidence. I'm sure Apple is going to delist it from the App Store at some point (App Store guidelines are just that, guidelines, and ther…
> I'm sure Apple is going to delist it from the App Store at some point (App Store guidelines are just that, guidelines, and there's no getting around them with a weird loophole like you can do with actual laws), but it works for now. Hence F-Droid, which cannot exist on iOS.
Not yet! The EU’s Digital Markets Act will go into force soon.
Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you watch YouTube enough you'll basically become aware of all the sponsors pretty quickly (and may even be a customer of some already!), so any exposure beyond that is a waste of time for all involved - if I didn't buy the product after seeing it 10 times, I won't buy it after seeing it the 11th either.
>if I didn't buy the product after seeing it 10 times, I won't buy it after seeing it the 11th either. There is still value to the sponser in keeping a brand fresh in your mind
Oh I'm so sorry, in that case I'll watch every single NordVPN sponsorship spot.