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Othello Is Solved?

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Re: Othello Is Solved?

#191
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Does that mean there are no disadvantages going second?

There is no disadvantage to going second... in fact, in tournament games, the player to go second (white) wins about 2% more often than black does. All of black's first moves actually transpose, so white has the first real choice in the game, and also usually has the last move in the game, which can be an advantage.

Re: Othello Is Solved?

#192
post #173

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> They play very fast. It can become more like poker, where deceit is a part of the game. If you spam down your stones fast enough sometimes you can skip a bowl, or drop an extra stone, in order to gain advantage. What you describe is just a talent at cheating, and I assume against the rules of the game. In poker, bluffing is an explicit part of the game allowed by the rules. I wouldn't even call it "deceit" in that…

Sometimes there's an implicit its only cheating if you get caught.

Yeah, in monopoly you don’t have to pay rent if the property owner doesn’t notice.

Re: Othello Is Solved?

#193

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Sometimes there's an implicit its only cheating if you get caught.

Yeah, in monopoly you don’t have to pay rent if the property owner doesn’t notice.

And in Scrabble it's fine to use a nonsense word if nobody challenges it.

Re: Othello Is Solved?

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes there's an implicit its only cheating if you get caught.

Yeah, in monopoly you don’t have to pay rent if the property owner doesn’t notice.

This is not implicit though.

The rules state that property owners can ask for the rent until the next player rolls the dice.

Re: Othello Is Solved?

#195

This is cool. I solved a simpler game about 15 years ago that my brother and I used to play: an African game with about 10 pits on each side of the board that hold stones. I coded up an alpha-beta engine for it, and discovered crazy always win strategies to match how my brother and I played. Suddenly I would win all the games, and then he never wanted to play again. This was a classic match up of a computer scientist…

> an African game with about 10 pits on each side of the board that hold stones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancala if you want more info

"The game was played by enslaved Africans to foster community and develop social skills."

..cringe...

Re: Othello Is Solved?

#196

This is cool. I solved a simpler game about 15 years ago that my brother and I used to play: an African game with about 10 pits on each side of the board that hold stones. I coded up an alpha-beta engine for it, and discovered crazy always win strategies to match how my brother and I played. Suddenly I would win all the games, and then he never wanted to play again. This was a classic match up of a computer scientist…

I can't remember the source for it (help me out if you know it), but people only like to play games when they're in the band of 30-70% winrate. Win too much or too little, and they'll stop enjoying playing the game.

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Re: Othello Is Solved?

#197

Othello is a great game to demonstrate how powerful some basic heuristics can be. There are certain squares that you should avoid placing pebble on as the game develops - equally there are squares that you should definitely try and place a pebble on if you can. Implementing these rules can give you a fairly decent opponent and it's interesting to see how quickly people will ascribe "intelligence" to something that is…

Implementing these rules can give you a fairly decent opponent and it's interesting to see how quickly people will ascribe "intelligence" to something that is very simple. Who is actually "ascribing intelligence" to this? Othello has been on $10 LCD games that take double AA batteries.

> Double AA

So you mean AAAA?

Re: Othello Is Solved?

#198
post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> an African game with about 10 pits on each side of the board that hold stones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancala if you want more info

"The game was played by enslaved Africans to foster community and develop social skills." ..cringe...

I don’t get it, what makes you want to cringe?

Re: Othello Is Solved?

#199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes there's an implicit its only cheating if you get caught.

Yeah, in monopoly you don’t have to pay rent if the property owner doesn’t notice.

In Bullshit, I always felt that if you could trick them into taking the hand or not noticing you added an extra card, it was all part of the game.
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