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Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by akira2501 »

throwaway128128 wrote: post #98
treme wrote: post #70

It's fascinating to me that moonies managed to have Abe & Trump speak at their event for millions. Probably one of most fascinating political cults of modern times.

The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing for decades. Reagan said the Washington Times, which is an organ of the Unification Church, was his favorite newspaper. You can see Falun Gong attempting the same in the United States. The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. These rabbit holes go t…

> The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing

Our First Amendment specifically allows for freedom of association and religion. This used to be seen as an attribute, now it apparently has become cause for open prejudice.

> The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too.

This is an intentionally misleading representation of the organization and it's structure, which combined with the above, seems designed to besmirch the papers reputation and reporting without actually addressing either in any meaningful way.

If the sword cuts both ways then your assessment is suggestively identical to the CCP position on the organization and on the religious views of it's founders.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by timmytokyo »

throwaway128128 wrote: post #98
treme wrote: post #70

It's fascinating to me that moonies managed to have Abe & Trump speak at their event for millions. Probably one of most fascinating political cults of modern times.

The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing for decades. Reagan said the Washington Times, which is an organ of the Unification Church, was his favorite newspaper. You can see Falun Gong attempting the same in the United States. The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. These rabbit holes go t…

Newsweek is basically owned and operated by the Moonies now, too [1].

[1] https://www.motherjones.com/media/2014/03/newsweek-ibt-olive...

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

garciansmith wrote: post #9
lionsdan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same thing happened to me on a different article yesterday using Firefox. It worked using Edge.

There's a longstanding issue with using Cloudflare DNS. If you change Firefox's secure DNS provider settings to NextDNS the page loads without any captcha.

This is not the longstanding Cloudflare issue. That made Archive sties totally unreachable.

This Captcha issue occurs with non-cloudflare resolvers as well, although with great inconsistency. It depends on the resolver and the user's location when they query. Results can change hours later.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by graphe »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #97
graphe wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hitler could have united Europe. Had he won and taken over Russia and Europe it could have been much better. Had Genghis Khan not attacked so many places, legends of centuars may not exist and the world could be better. We don't know.

Or more likely, Hitler would have exterminated millions more, and civilization would have crumbled under fascist ideology. Why don't you chop off your arm? You don't know if that will turn out to be good. Stories like that of the Chinese farmer and Pippi Longstocking are for children, not for thinking adults to blindly believe. The point of the Chinese farmer for children is that even though bad things happen, things…

Instead someone else exterminated millions more and civilization crumbled under another fascist leader.

If you ask "why don't you" you're either asking in bad faith or don't fundamentally understand the fable.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by BlueTemplar »

> A third son, Hyung Jin “Sean” Moon, founded a separate, gun-centered church in Pennsylvania known as Rod of Iron Ministries, where followers do target practice with AR-15s and bring guns to church to be blessed. Hyung Jin wears a golden crown made of rifle shells, and delivers hate-filled sermons against the Democratic Party. He also expects to become the king of America. He reviles his mother—who runs the international church in South Korea—as the “whore of Babylon.”

Please wake me up, I must have fallen asleep in front of a South Park episode...

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by lern_too_spel »

User23 wrote: post #66
graphe wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hitler could have united Europe. Had he won and taken over Russia and Europe it could have been much better. Had Genghis Khan not attacked so many places, legends of centuars may not exist and the world could be better. We don't know.

I find this line of argument to be a compelling refutation of any kind of consequentialist ethics from a human perspective. No human being ever has had or ever will have the ability to predict out the full consequences of an action throughout all time.

I invite you to put your ideology to practice and chop off your own arm. We don't have the ability to predict the full consequences after all.

The rest of us understand that though few things are 100% certain, many things are possible to predict with a high amount of certainty.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by invisibel »

nijave wrote: post #3
bragr wrote: post #2

https://archive.ph/I3UcQ

Not sure if it's just me but I routinely get stuck in a captcha redirect loop with archive.today (like captcha button, get redirected back to same captcha page)

stuck in a captcha redirect loop with archive.today

Their captcha page is odd, styled to look like Cloudflare's captcha gate but uses reCAPTCHA which Cloudflare publicly spoke about switching from.

Code of the page also seems to include a strange XmlHttpRequest to some blog site with randomized query string (see end of https://pastebin.com/W21Au8RK), along with some fingerprint library (though commented out)

That blog site loads very slow for me if I go there manually - maybe some kind of DoS being directed to it?

Seen this same faux-cloudflare page used on btdig.com too, with the same strange XmlHttpRequest & fingerprint code, pretty weird.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by throwaway128128 »

akira2501 wrote: post #111
throwaway128128 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing for decades. Reagan said the Washington Times, which is an organ of the Unification Church, was his favorite newspaper. You can see Falun Gong attempting the same in the United States. The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. These rabbit holes go t…

> The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing Our First Amendment specifically allows for freedom of association and religion. This used to be seen as an attribute, now it apparently has become cause for open prejudice. > The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. This is an intentionally misle…

The First Amendment says that religion and government should remain separate. I have the right to freely observe that some religions are aggressively testing that boundary more than others.

But, "intentionally misleading"? Can you please explain the ways I've mislead people? Here are some essays which go into the claims in more detail.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/stepping-into... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/technology/epoch-times-in...

As for The Epoch Times' reputation, its slant is immediately obvious upon reading the paper or seeing YouTube ads for it.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by throwaway128128 »

timmytokyo wrote: post #112
throwaway128128 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing for decades. Reagan said the Washington Times, which is an organ of the Unification Church, was his favorite newspaper. You can see Falun Gong attempting the same in the United States. The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. These rabbit holes go t…

Newsweek is basically owned and operated by the Moonies now, too [1]. [1] https://www.motherjones.com/media/2014/03/newsweek-ibt-olive...

Oh, TIL. I've noticed Newsweek's decline. Lots of flame-fanning.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by Aloha »

akira2501 wrote: post #111
throwaway128128 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing for decades. Reagan said the Washington Times, which is an organ of the Unification Church, was his favorite newspaper. You can see Falun Gong attempting the same in the United States. The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. These rabbit holes go t…

> The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing Our First Amendment specifically allows for freedom of association and religion. This used to be seen as an attribute, now it apparently has become cause for open prejudice. > The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. This is an intentionally misle…

How is it intentionally misleading?

It's a newspaper given away for free in paper form, frequently.

I don't believe the Epoch Times to be a credible news source, in the same way that RT is not one. That doesn't mean its not a news source worth looking at on occasion.

I'm also skeptical of Falun Gong, first as a generally non-religious person, and then because they dont seem to like LGBTQ people very much - and I'm very much a member of that community.

I feel everyone ought to have a right to practice their religion in peace, however when the practicing of your religion potentially impacts the secular word, I get concerned - I generally believe in a strong separation of church and state, and anyone who starts to encroach on that, puts my hackles up.

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