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Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by macintux »

dmonitor wrote: post #88
dieselgate wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not getting into politics at all but I imagine it'd be utter chaos if anything similar were to happen to Trump, that's an interesting perspective to hear though.

If Trump died, and in the aftermath it was revealed he had ties to a Chinese cult, his only remaining supporters would probably be the cult-like reality deniers.

> ...his only remaining supporters would probably be the cult-like reality deniers.

He built a huge base largely on people who prefer to believe him over reality.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by throwaway128128 »

api wrote: post #99
throwaway128128 wrote: post #98

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The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing for decades. Reagan said the Washington Times, which is an organ of the Unification Church, was his favorite newspaper. You can see Falun Gong attempting the same in the United States. The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. These rabbit holes go t…

Lately I’ve seen tons and tons of anti trans content that actually says sponsored by the Epoch Times. I’ve see it on Facebook and Xitter. I don’t get why that issue is so important to them. Maybe scaring people about trans people is just broadly working. Gotta fear monger or people might notice that most of our candidates are incompetent. Republicans are unelectable without scaring people about LGBT people and immigr…

Simple: grifting. Influence is what's important to them. They tap into wellsprings of conservative grievance to increase media outreach. They became antivax when antivax sentiment went up, they're here for the trans freakout, and they'll surely work to be in place for the next hot button issue, too.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by dartharva »

tpmx wrote: post #11
snvzz wrote: post #6

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> Religion, sigh. So, no, not all religions are violent and/or harmful. I've been an devout atheist since about the age of 10. That doesn't stop me from seeing that: a) some religions are relatively harmless and mostly helpful to their believers b) some religions are very destructive to everyone I don't think we should go much further from here.

Religion, by definition, is a social construct explicitly built to foster a collective identity that isolates those in the in-group from the out-group. It inherently implies hostility against the non-believer; the only difference is the form this hostility takes. For some, it's just condescension for people who don't perceive the "truth", for others it's literally declaring them infidels who don't deserve to live. All religions in this world fall within the spectrum of these two extremes. No religion in this world is open to having its foundational ideas challenged or debated in any manner.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by GartzenDeHaes »

macintux wrote: post #101
dmonitor wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Trump died, and in the aftermath it was revealed he had ties to a Chinese cult, his only remaining supporters would probably be the cult-like reality deniers.

> ...his only remaining supporters would probably be the cult-like reality deniers. He built a huge base largely on people who prefer to believe him over reality.

"These people (the Trump voters) are sick and tired of being lied to by fake politicians and they just want to burn the whole system down -- Trump is their fire bomb." -- Michael Moore, prior to the 2016 election.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by paganel »

throwaway128128 wrote: post #98
treme wrote: post #70

It's fascinating to me that moonies managed to have Abe & Trump speak at their event for millions. Probably one of most fascinating political cults of modern times.

The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing for decades. Reagan said the Washington Times, which is an organ of the Unification Church, was his favorite newspaper. You can see Falun Gong attempting the same in the United States. The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. These rabbit holes go t…

> which is an organ of the Unification Church

Big TIL for me this one, and I thought I was smart enough for knowing about the connection between Falun Gong and the Epoch Times (I also know about the direct connection between Gulen's movement and one of the best private schools here in Romania).

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by graphe »

api wrote: post #99
throwaway128128 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing for decades. Reagan said the Washington Times, which is an organ of the Unification Church, was his favorite newspaper. You can see Falun Gong attempting the same in the United States. The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. These rabbit holes go t…

Lately I’ve seen tons and tons of anti trans content that actually says sponsored by the Epoch Times. I’ve see it on Facebook and Xitter. I don’t get why that issue is so important to them. Maybe scaring people about trans people is just broadly working. Gotta fear monger or people might notice that most of our candidates are incompetent. Republicans are unelectable without scaring people about LGBT people and immigr…

What content are you seeing? I've never seen those.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by graphe »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #69
graphe wrote: post #68

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I think the ones I saw recently were all members of the cult. They're overly religious and their family and children are often working there, children hate it and the cult. They try to keep costs low, donations from their work high, and it seems to function efficiently with a religious fevor. I've never seen much excess use of money from sushi restaurants. Haven't been to a chick fil a in a while but maybe like that…

North Koreans in Japan sometimes have businesses that operate to send money back home. Seems like a lot of coercion involved in both cases

It happens a lot with dictator run governments. I heard that's how foreign Eritreans are treated, or their family dies. A man living in Australia told me he had to send money back to his government quite often.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

bombcar wrote: post #7
nijave wrote: post #3

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Not sure if it's just me but I routinely get stuck in a captcha redirect loop with archive.today (like captcha button, get redirected back to same captcha page)

Change DNS to not use Cloudflare.

This is a separate issue from the previous Cloudflare issue and it manifests differently.

Getting Captcha'd happens with non-cloudflare resolvers as well, tho not universally nor consistently.

I forced all of Archive domains to query against Quad9 and started getting unskipable Captchas months ago - when I was local(US).

When I placeshifted to overseas, Quad9 resolved to different IPs and those were usable.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by User23 »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #97
graphe wrote: post #60

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Hitler could have united Europe. Had he won and taken over Russia and Europe it could have been much better. Had Genghis Khan not attacked so many places, legends of centuars may not exist and the world could be better. We don't know.

Or more likely, Hitler would have exterminated millions more, and civilization would have crumbled under fascist ideology. Why don't you chop off your arm? You don't know if that will turn out to be good. Stories like that of the Chinese farmer and Pippi Longstocking are for children, not for thinking adults to blindly believe. The point of the Chinese farmer for children is that even though bad things happen, things…

And maybe that crumbling of civilization would have prevented a runaway greenhouse heating effect that destroys all life on Earth.

Your attitude that you can understand a complex dynamical system such as the one that we live in is the truly childish one.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by midasuni »

dmonitor wrote: post #88
dieselgate wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not getting into politics at all but I imagine it'd be utter chaos if anything similar were to happen to Trump, that's an interesting perspective to hear though.

If Trump died, and in the aftermath it was revealed he had ties to a Chinese cult, his only remaining supporters would probably be the cult-like reality deniers.

The ones that almost triggered an insurrection and civil war a couple of years ago?
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