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Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by capableweb »

carlosdp wrote: post #43
capableweb wrote: post #35

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Why is that so crazy? Happens all the time that people get assassinated and the public sides with the assassin. If the US was successful with any of their plots to assassinate Castro I'm sure the US public would mostly side with their government about it, as a relatively famous example. Another more contemporary example would be the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (prime minister of Israel) in 95, which had a lot of l…

The Castro example doesn't really fit here. That would be an assassination of a foreign national, not a domestic assassination like in Rabin's or Abe's.

I never played Persona 5, is that relevant to "public support of a assassination"? Otherwise I don't see how it's relevant.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by charcircuit »

sneed_chucker wrote: post #31
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #16

Meta comment on cultural awareness: "Japan wants you to say its leader’s name correctly: Abe Shinzo [1]" Why authors are still messing this up almost 5 years later is bewildering [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/21/asia/japan-name-abe-shinzo-in...

Cool, now anyone reading the name needs to be familiar with East Asian naming conventions to know which is the given and which is the family name. Should we just print it in katakana too, so that we're not "culturally unaware"?

It should be written as 安倍晋三.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by dieselgate »

graphe wrote: post #38

The sushi trade is unable to be separated from the moonies. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/11/05/magazine/sush... that will be Moon's legacy I know from personal experience that many Koreans who own sushi restaurants are part of this cult, they knew each other at church all donated a lot and the only reason I know is that my friend dated a girl whose parents were part of it.

Thanks for the article link, pretty insightful and interesting to read

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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abecode wrote: post #36

I went to a conference in Nara last year and at one of the receptions I told a Japanese attendee that I was sorry to hear about the assassination. I joked that my name is pronounced Abe like Abe Lincoln, not like Shinzo Abe. He kind of shrugged and said it would be kind of like if it had happened to Trump in the US, in that there were a lot of of people that didn't like him. The article makes it seem like people disc…

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Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by dieselgate »

abecode wrote: post #36

I went to a conference in Nara last year and at one of the receptions I told a Japanese attendee that I was sorry to hear about the assassination. I joked that my name is pronounced Abe like Abe Lincoln, not like Shinzo Abe. He kind of shrugged and said it would be kind of like if it had happened to Trump in the US, in that there were a lot of of people that didn't like him. The article makes it seem like people disc…

Not getting into politics at all but I imagine it'd be utter chaos if anything similar were to happen to Trump, that's an interesting perspective to hear though.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by freedomben »

snvzz wrote: post #53
freedomben wrote: post #49

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I largely agree, except: > Never helpful It clearly is helpful to believers at times. For example, when a loved one dies, it can be extremely comforting to think you'll see them again soon in a paradisical heaven. Comfort when you're hurting is helpful.

>it can be extremely comforting to think you'll see them again soon in a paradisical heaven Comforting? Sure. Yet it can be positive if and only if there's no value in grief.

That's an interesting point, though I think it would have to be if and only if all grief is positive. For example, if grief is 99% positive but 1% negative (negative being more pain than gain) then there's positive value.

For someone about to die, I think any grief is probably negative. Any personal growth or development won't be utilized. I think of it kind of like morphine, if you're dying it's fine to keep it flowing even if you are getting seriously addicted to it

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by scyzoryk_xyz »

pretendscholar wrote: post #56
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #16

Meta comment on cultural awareness: "Japan wants you to say its leader’s name correctly: Abe Shinzo [1]" Why authors are still messing this up almost 5 years later is bewildering [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/21/asia/japan-name-abe-shinzo-in...

One of the most annoying things about speaking the dominant world language (obviously it is also great in many respects) is that there is some pressure to change your language rather than just adjusting the sounds and spelling to the pre-existing phonetics. Erdogan is pronounced closer to erdoyan and Türkiye insisting on the umlaut. Nguyen and Pho rather than wynn and pha. Gyro instead of hyro. Blonde vs blond (WHY w…

Dang, never thought about that. Must be really hard.

That joke out of the way, as a dual-citizen and polyglot my observation is that it is usually Americans giving other Americans shit about pronunciation. It’s perhaps (like you say) a form of jostling around how virtuous you are. Perhaps layered on top of some insecurity around how much of the world you got to see.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by spondylosaurus »

BonoboIO wrote: post #34
jasode wrote: post #25

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>Why authors are still messing this up almost 5 years later is bewildering I don't have an opinion on it but Westerners unfamiliar with Asian naming conventions can get conflicting signals. Some famous Japanese names that are well-known to Western audiences are written "FirstName FamilyName" instead of "FamilyName FirstName": baseball star: Shohei Ohtani not Ohtani Shohei actor: Ken Watanabe not Watanabe Ken Maybe th…

Somebody should ask them. Would be interesting to hear if that’s an issue or nobody cares.

Quite a few Japanese game developers style their names as on social media when they're writing in English. Some examples that come to mind, going off of their Twitter accounts:

* Masahiro Ito

* Hideki Kamiya

* Keita Takahashi

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by NobodyNada »

capableweb wrote: post #71
carlosdp wrote: post #43

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The Castro example doesn't really fit here. That would be an assassination of a foreign national, not a domestic assassination like in Rabin's or Abe's.

I never played Persona 5, is that relevant to "public support of a assassination"? Otherwise I don't see how it's relevant.

One of the central themes of P5 is that “public support” tends to be based on spectacle and emotion rather than justice — kinda like the idea of news as entertainment rather than truth. The assassination of a foreign leader would be news, but it wouldn’t really be a spectacle in the same way as a local politician, and wouldn’t create the kind of emotional reaction within the public that the parent comment is referencing.
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