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Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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but it's made of chemicals!

Feel free to drink a cup of it then

> Amongst mammals, glyphosate is considered to have "low to very low toxicity". The LD50 of glyphosate is 5,000 mg/kg for rats, 10,000 mg/kg in mice and 3,530 mg/kg in goats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate

I wouldn't just go drink it for fun, but for what it is, it's surprisingly safe.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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The same Bayer that killed tons of Holocaust victims in drug trials during WWII? That Bayer? I’m having trouble feeling sorry for anything that ever comes their way. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/bayer

You're not wrong, but VW, Ford, and GM all have ties to Nazi Germany.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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The judgment was based on failure to warn of risk, not negligence in design. On causation, as far as I can tell, the 2015 finding of epidemiological evidence for a 41% increase in non-hodgkins lymphoma (NHL) was rebutted by non-affiliated researchers, but paid experts are continuing to publish, and claim others have recently found a mechanism. But AFAIK there's no epidemiological or mechanistic proof, now or at the t…

I'm surprised these judgements are happening. The science isn't really nailed down.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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In Europe where GMOs are banned and pesticide use is lower...yields are higher than in the US. "We need to use poison to grow food to feed everyone" is bunch of false-dilemma poppycock. If it were truly a matter of "we need to feed everyone", we wouldn't be wasting massive amounts of grain on raising cattle, which is one of most wasteful ways of generating food there is. 80% of agricultural land is used for cattle, b…

> 80% of agricultural land is used for cattle I don't think this is true. Did you mean livestock?

On top of that, much land cattle graze on is entirely unsuitable for growing crops.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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The most dangerous surface in a farm is the farmer’s hat I was told. So they wear the hat in the sun, tilling the fields, but the reason the hat is dangerous is from spraying the fields. Pesticides and herbicides are downright scary chemicals, and we genetically modify crops to improve tolerance of these chemicals. And that is when I went all GMO free, not because I am worried about eating grain that has modified gen…

Shit. I remember clearly spraying roundup out of a backpack sprayer on a calm day, when a stray gust of wind blew some of the spray back up and into my face. I often wonder if I inadvertently sealed my fate despite that level of exposure being so brief. It was about 5 years ago,so far so good.

You will be absolutely fine, you really don't have to worry about it. It's very uncertain whether ingesting these chemicals is harmful, touching them briefly is just fine.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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post #44

The most dangerous surface in a farm is the farmer’s hat I was told. So they wear the hat in the sun, tilling the fields, but the reason the hat is dangerous is from spraying the fields. Pesticides and herbicides are downright scary chemicals, and we genetically modify crops to improve tolerance of these chemicals. And that is when I went all GMO free, not because I am worried about eating grain that has modified gen…

Non-gmos use pesticides, nearly all farming does, and usually more than GMO crops. Eg https://i0.wp.com/sitn.hms.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/20... From https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/gmos-and-pesticides/

Roundup isn't a pesticide, or an insecticide (as the charts above are labeled). Roundup is an herbicide, which is why it is so useful to combine with GMO crops. When you spray a field for weeds with Roundup, your crop doesn’t die because it has resistance built in.

More clearly, Roundup kills weeds, not bugs.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Non-gmos use pesticides, nearly all farming does, and usually more than GMO crops. Eg https://i0.wp.com/sitn.hms.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/20... From https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/gmos-and-pesticides/

Roundup isn't a pesticide, or an insecticide (as the charts above are labeled). Roundup is an herbicide, which is why it is so useful to combine with GMO crops. When you spray a field for weeds with Roundup, your crop doesn’t die because it has resistance built in. More clearly, Roundup kills weeds, not bugs.

> Roundup isn't a pesticide, or an insecticide (as the charts above are labeled). Roundup is an herbicide

Pesticide is an umbrella term for herbicides, insecticides, and other types of substances. If you've read the paper, it mentions that too:

> Pesticides are substances used to repel, kill, or control animals (insecticides) or plants (herbicides) that are considered to be pests.

You are correct, though, in that while insecticide use decreased (because GMOs help insect resistance), herbicide use has actually increased because of herbicide tolerance of GMO crops.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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If you have to wear the hazmat suite, think about the impact on non targetted crop plants and the farmer. Why this shit is even allowed?

Because we need to feed billions of people. Because doing that more efficiently not only saves labour and lives of people who would starve otherwise, but also land as we don't need as much of it, so it can be forests and grasslands and steppe [1]. Currently the most efficient way to grow plants on a massive scale requires using herbicides. As we need herbicides for industrial agriculture, herbicides need to be judged…

> Because we need to feed billions of people.

Then do not grow so much corn.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roundup isn't a pesticide, or an insecticide (as the charts above are labeled). Roundup is an herbicide, which is why it is so useful to combine with GMO crops. When you spray a field for weeds with Roundup, your crop doesn’t die because it has resistance built in. More clearly, Roundup kills weeds, not bugs.

> Roundup isn't a pesticide, or an insecticide (as the charts above are labeled). Roundup is an herbicide Pesticide is an umbrella term for herbicides, insecticides, and other types of substances. If you've read the paper, it mentions that too: > Pesticides are substances used to repel, kill, or control animals (insecticides) or plants (herbicides) that are considered to be pests. You are correct, though, in that whi…

Ok! Thanks for the correction!

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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My brother worked as a landscaper and spilled concentrated roundup all over his back and down his legs about two years ago when a backpack tank sprung a leak. About a year ago, he was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia. 2 months ago, he passed away - less than a year after he was diagnosed. Is there a cause/effect relationship between these events? I don't know but hearing about the various trials and studie…

What’s strange about this case is that there are lot of carcinogens and evil pesticides out there that are not heavily regulated. For example processed meat has a very strong link with cancer and the nitrites added to processed meat are likely the culprit. No one seems to care and no one is suing the meat companies. There are “export only” pesticides that are truly scary that contaminate the us food supply and cause birth defects and cancer for entire villages. Roundup isn’t mechanistically tied to cancer and there isn’t a scientific consensus surrounding if/how carcinogenic it is. I wouldn’t be surprised if your brother’s cancer was environmentally related but I would bet that a boring chemical like gasoline/exhaust would be the cause. Gasoline and exhaust products are known to be carcinogenic.
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