Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

Post by tanseydavid » Sat, Nov 04, 2023, 2:33 AM UTC

hinkley wrote: post #119

echelon wrote: post #87

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Very frequently? These chemicals are benign and the media and activists have been scaring people for decades without justification. The fact that their arguments are often convolved with arguments against lawns and lawncare should give you a better sense of their true motives. I'm shocked Bayer lost and that the plaintiff was awarded anything. Glyphosate has not been shown to cause cancer. If it had, such literature…

Roundup isn’t glyphosate. It’s full of glyphosate, yes. But it’s not glyphosate. It also doesn’t always break down. Depends on if it binds with anything.

Post by hinkley » Sat, Nov 04, 2023, 2:38 AM UTC

cracrecry wrote: post #18

tempsy wrote: post #2

People look at you like you're crazy if you tell them you avoid oats, grains, nuts that are particularly heavy in glyphosate.

They probably do not have that high concentration on seeds itself. The problem is that it thousands of tons need to be dispersed on the environment and its effect as an antibiotic on big scale. We have a very important microbiota that are bacteria themselves. The antibiotics on meat and environment can break havoc there, specially for people that work or live near those environments and can breathe or drink the pesti…

Post by hinkley » Sat, Nov 04, 2023, 2:40 AM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #112

vkou wrote: post #8

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Given that as of 2023: 1. Glyphosate is one of the more heavily studied chemicals known to man. 2. The evidence for it causing cancer is poor. Studies routinely fail to find evidence for it. 3. The subset of studies that do find evidence for such a link, find it in occupational exposure , by people who have been working knee-deep in it for decades. [1] Yes, people probably should look at you like you're crazy, becaus…

> people probably should look at you like you're crazy, because you're extrapolating People who claimed that UK government gave them AIDS, on purpose, were called crazy. 50 years later, it turns out they were right. "The blood was imported from the US after a UK shortage, where people such as prisoners could donate in return for cash. The minutes ..shows that officials knew that haemophiliacs were being given dangero…

Post by hinkley » Sat, Nov 04, 2023, 2:41 AM UTC

1letterunixname wrote: post #86

tempsy wrote: post #2

People look at you like you're crazy if you tell them you avoid oats, grains, nuts that are particularly heavy in glyphosate.

Most people lack subject matter expertise on topics they espouse opinions impertinently, don't look at the evidence, and don't take sensible precautions against unknowns, so their opinions don't matter. In the absence of compelling precautionary evidence and systematic safety processes, it's clear that the faithful adherents of organic production are more likely to be safer than industrial megafarming done with the s…

Post by hinkley » Sat, Nov 04, 2023, 2:46 AM UTC

tanseydavid wrote: post #131

hinkley wrote: post #119

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Roundup isn’t glyphosate. It’s full of glyphosate, yes. But it’s not glyphosate. It also doesn’t always break down. Depends on if it binds with anything.

Seems like a distinction without a difference: " Glyphosate is a broad-spectrum systemic herbicide and crop desiccant. It is used to kill weeds, especially annual broadleaf weeds and grasses that compete with crops. Its herbicidal effectiveness was discovered by Monsanto chemist John E. Franz in 1970. Monsanto brought it to market for agricultural use in 1974 under the trade name Roundup. " https://en.wikipedia.org/w…