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Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Post by sokoloff »

Reptur wrote: post #35
malta_kano wrote: post #26

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Thank you for pointing that out. So profit their 2022 32.523B [1]. 32.5 billion in profit dwarfs a 332 million settlement. You have made my point only stronger. 1. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/BAYRY/bayer/gross-...

Net profit (or alternatively, free cash flow or operating income) is a far better measure than gross profit for determining whether a company can sustain a particular financial hit.

Gross profit is only a precursor figure.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Post by 1letterunixname »

genter wrote: post #5
sschueller wrote: post #3

Just like Dow Chemical and Union Carbide[1] they claim they are not responsible as the acquired only the assets of Monsanto not the liabilities.... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

The MSDS for Roundup is hilarious. It's completely safe, no known health effects, as long as you're wearing a full hazmat suite.

I was about to see if you were offering to make a toast with Patrick Moore but then I read the ending. Buried the lede. ;P

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Post by dade_ »

The most dangerous surface in a farm is the farmer’s hat I was told.

So they wear the hat in the sun, tilling the fields, but the reason the hat is dangerous is from spraying the fields. Pesticides and herbicides are downright scary chemicals, and we genetically modify crops to improve tolerance of these chemicals.

And that is when I went all GMO free, not because I am worried about eating grain that has modified genes, that’s plain stupid. Nature does that all day.

But when chemicals so awful they kill the crop, the crop’s genes need to be modified so that they don’t die and that chemical residue ends up all over our food system, well buddy, get me off this stupid crazy train.

I hope the settlement hits trillions. Burn the fuckers down.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Post by lotsofpulp »

sudhirc wrote: post #37
vkou wrote: post #30

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How does its[1] MSDS compare to any other herbicide/pesticide in common use[2]? All the handling instructions for the them are nearly word-for-word identical. It seems to be a good idea to wear a hazmat suit when you're spraying a field with anything that's supposed to kill weeds. [1] https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Roundup%20Pro%20Con... [2] https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Atrazine%204L%20SDS...

If you have to wear the hazmat suite, think about the impact on non targetted crop plants and the farmer. Why this shit is even allowed?

See people complaining about the rising food prices, just due to increasing labor costs. Definitely won’t be politically popular to make farming even more expensive.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Post by sitharus »

Loughla wrote: post #36
cracrecry wrote: post #18

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They probably do not have that high concentration on seeds itself. The problem is that it thousands of tons need to be dispersed on the environment and its effect as an antibiotic on big scale. We have a very important microbiota that are bacteria themselves. The antibiotics on meat and environment can break havoc there, specially for people that work or live near those environments and can breathe or drink the pesti…

Does glyphosate act as an antibiotic? This is literally news to me. It's a weed killer?

Glyphosate is toxic to some bacteria as they use the same enzyme as part of amino acid synthesis. It’s not a universal antibiotic.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Post by 1letterunixname »

moberley wrote: post #27
nemo wrote: post #7

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He was using glyphosate as a weed-killer and getting it on his hands and feet. Way higher levels of exposure than any foods. Also if you're afraid of glyphosate, the Roundup-ready crops are the ones to avoid especially - soy, corn, canola, sugar beets. There's no Roundup-ready wheat, oats, or nuts. (edit: apparently it's used as a desiccant so it winds up in cereals as well - lovely, though still there's no evidence…

Glyphosate is sometimes used a pre-harvest dessicant with cereal crops like wheat in which case the Roundup Ready gene is not required.

The Wikipedia datalinks opines it's a practice banned in Austria and frowned upon by buyers in Canada.

Spraying chemicals on crops to make them cheaper to harvest is enough evidence to convince me it's best to avoid all cereal products unless they're organic.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Post by mullingitover »

zetsurin wrote: post #15
jfghi wrote: post #12

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Are you claiming a lawsuit shouldn’t take place?

guessing the implication is that america doesn't sue it's own

The US gives domestic tech giants a very wide berth on a lot of privacy and platform owner market power issues while Europe, which can't produce a tech giant of its own aside from ASML, is on a huge crusade about privacy and open access to tech platforms.

We're only discovering we have principles about this stuff now that foreign-based Tiktok is succeeding here.

Re: Bayer hit with $332M judgement in Roundup cancer trial

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Post by dgroshev »

sudhirc wrote: post #37
vkou wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does its[1] MSDS compare to any other herbicide/pesticide in common use[2]? All the handling instructions for the them are nearly word-for-word identical. It seems to be a good idea to wear a hazmat suit when you're spraying a field with anything that's supposed to kill weeds. [1] https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Roundup%20Pro%20Con... [2] https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Atrazine%204L%20SDS...

If you have to wear the hazmat suite, think about the impact on non targetted crop plants and the farmer. Why this shit is even allowed?

Because we need to feed billions of people. Because doing that more efficiently not only saves labour and lives of people who would starve otherwise, but also land as we don't need as much of it, so it can be forests and grasslands and steppe [1]. Currently the most efficient way to grow plants on a massive scale requires using herbicides.

As we need herbicides for industrial agriculture, herbicides need to be judged against other herbicides, not in isolation. Glyphosate is fairly benign compared to other herbicides (compare to [2] for example), it's not "shit".

[1] In fact we are likely past peak agricultural land use https://ourworldindata.org/peak-agriculture-land

[2] https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Atrazine%204L%20SDS...

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