If ppl got the same quality of life our grandparents and maybe some parents got, I'm sure this wouldn't be a topic.
Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek
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Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek
#192Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the point of the fable is that the ants understand that the marginal value of working now includes future benefits, whereas the grasshopper doesn't. The original comment doesn't really seem worth debating. People would rather work less because they ascribe greater value to their contribution than potential employers. Fine.
No it’s not equivalent. The young folks do want to work. They don’t want to work the last bit because they’re not being given anything of meaningful value. This is not the case of the grasshopper. Nor is it similar to the ants. Marginal utility changed with each unit.
> So you've pretty much given up on housing. What's the point in working hard?
They don't want to work some last x% because they're happy with their current condition. The ants work the last x% so that when they retire they can continue to live in the style to which they've become accustomed.
The young folks are being offered money. They don't think it's meaningful because it doesn't enable them to afford some item now. So they can either decline the money or increase their estimate of its utility by taking their future into account.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good. "Growth at all costs" mindset is not sustainable or good for anyone but the upper echelons of society.
Also in this thread: "We demand more cheap housing!"
The only possible person who would not value that would be a rentier.
High housing costs benefit literally nobody but investors trying to wring ever more profit out of the basic needs of their fellow human beings.
They sunk a lot of money into a get-rich-quick scheme and get upset when anyone suggests curbing said scheme for humanitarian reasons.
That money must come from somewhere, and everyone who has to constantly finance those gains with no benefit in return will find a way to change it.
Have fun!
Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek
#195Young people don't want to work hard because there's little incentive. No matter how hard you work, unless you're in the top 5%, you're far priced out of most places most people want to live. You can afford everything comfortably beside housing & health care (which you don't need much of when you're young) on a relatively low wage in the US. So you've pretty much given up on housing. What's the point in working hard?
As someone who worked very hard for 10y and was paid in some top percentile, the incentives still ran out. I'm bored of the meaningless high paid work, single and likely socially stunted and emotionally blunted from workaholism. But at least I can buy a house where none of my loved ones can, and who will eventually be priced out of renting even basement apts nearby.
Your supposed to go off and buy a winery/farm and live the good life… :)
Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
The title makes it sound like they'd sacrifice allot but when you look at the percentages it's mostly just I'd like to work 4-10s.
Which is interesting, because I feel like I'm lucky when I have the focus to do even 4 hours of high intensity, cognitively demanding work in a day. Much of the rest of that day is fluffing around, meetings or doing stuff that seems like it could probably be delegated or automated with the right setup.
which is why they would happily support it. I'll sit around for another 2 hours and give you the same 4 hours worth of work.
I feel like people that do meeting all day have no idea how draining coding is.
Hey, I can't look at code for longer than 2 seconds but could you spend 8 hours doing it.
Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also in this thread: "We demand more cheap housing!"
The only possible person who would not value that would be a rentier. High housing costs benefit literally nobody but investors trying to wring ever more profit out of the basic needs of their fellow human beings. They sunk a lot of money into a get-rich-quick scheme and get upset when anyone suggests curbing said scheme for humanitarian reasons. That money must come from somewhere, and everyone who has to constantly…
A failure to grow supply satisfies both the anti-growth NIMBYs and the rentiers. A case of unlikely bedfellows.
Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek
#198Moving back to the US after living abroad I was used to month long holidays. I applied to a few companies and tried to negotiate 5 weeks PTO. They wouldn't budge. Then 4 weeks. Still no. I offered to drop my salary in exchange for vacation. Still no. I asked HR why everything else was negotiable except PTO and they told me I would have more time off then people who've been there for 7+ years. This was my first clue t…
> They wouldn't budge.
I don't know if this is a problem specific to PTO. In general, after 20+ years of working, I've found US employers to be pretty inflexible on all terms/aspects of your working life besides compensation. They may (or often may not) be willing to negotiate pay, but will almost never budge when it comes to:
- Vacation / PTO
- Unpaid leave
- Health benefits
- Financial benefits like 401(k) or life insurance
- IP ownership
- Moonlighting or second jobs
- Schedule flexibility
- Paid training
- Company equipment
These things tend to be "take it or leave it--we won't accept changes to our boilerplate agreement!"
Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek
#199Moving back to the US after living abroad I was used to month long holidays. I applied to a few companies and tried to negotiate 5 weeks PTO. They wouldn't budge. Then 4 weeks. Still no. I offered to drop my salary in exchange for vacation. Still no. I asked HR why everything else was negotiable except PTO and they told me I would have more time off then people who've been there for 7+ years. This was my first clue t…
> They wouldn't budge. I don't know if this is a problem specific to PTO. In general, after 20+ years of working, I've found US employers to be pretty inflexible on all terms/aspects of your working life besides compensation. They may (or often may not) be willing to negotiate pay, but will almost never budge when it comes to: - Vacation / PTO - Unpaid leave - Health benefits - Financial benefits like 401(k) or life…
Not to defend them one bit but it’s very likely because a lot of that stuff is hard to keep track of. If you only have one policy that everyone is subject to, it can be easily tracked/updated/cost calculated/etc. The bigger the company, the less likely they will craft a custom policy for you.
Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not for everybody, but if you can find a way to not play the rigged game, you can get ahead. I moved from a high cost of living city in North America to Latin America. I bought a two floor penthouse overlooking the ocean for less than the price of a two bedroom apartment back where I came from. My mortgage is -$2000 / month. That's right, negative $2000 because I save the full mortgage payment plus an extra $200…
Where at? Are you Hispanic or white?
> Are you Hispanic or white?
Yes.
(That question makes no sense.)