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Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek

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Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek

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Post by godshatter »

RecycledEle wrote: post #22

Give us Wednesday off, not Friday. Then we can rest between 2-day work spurts.

I do this where I work (in higher ed). I work 4 tens and have Wednesday off. It's like having a lot of two-day weeks with alternating 1- and 2-day weekends. Also, if I need a Friday or Monday off I can change which day I take off for that week. What sold me on it was "never work more than two days in a row unless you choose to".

I see a lot of criticism of the 10-hour days, but in a mixed environment I like it. With the hours I chose I have a 1 1/2 hour work time in the morning where most everyone else isn't in yet that is very productive for me. I also have an extra half-hour after the time most people leave to do the same. My work is more project oriented, but I still have inconvenient meetings with small windows for work throughout the normal work day.

Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek

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Post by s1artibartfast »

blitz_skull wrote: post #88
Tiktaalik wrote: post #9

In my experience working at a 4DWW company I saw the opposite. The happiest were the oldest, most established workers, because they had already ticked off all so many life goals, had a house, a dog, kids, etc and so less money and more time was great. In contrast the youngest workers had no stable housing, and wanted more money more than they wanted time, because they wanted an ability to buy themselves some of those…

These companies are so rare, why wouldn't the younger workers just go find a job with higher pay and less time off? It's not like they're being forced to work at a 4-Day Work Week company... They're kind of unicorns to find in the first place.

it makes a lot of sense to me. It has to do with the fixed quantities work can be found in. It is a matter of finding a combination that is compatible.

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Post by inputError »

The_Colonel wrote: post #144
onion2k wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 4 day work week is not '4 days work for 80% of the money'. A 4 day work week today means working 4 days a week for the same money as a person working 5 days a week. Depending on the company that's either 10 hours a day for 4 days a week, or more commonly it's an 8 hour day for 4 days a week with an assumption (proven in many studies) than people work harder with less downtime for that 8 hours so consequently get th…

> more commonly it's an 8 hour day for 4 days a week with an assumption (proven in many studies) When I looked at these studies, the productivity was measured by company's revenue, so it was pretty much useless. > people work harder with less downtime for that 8 hours so consequently get the same amount of work done as their 10-hour-4-days and 5-day-week counterparts. Maybe it works that way for some people, but I do…

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Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek

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Post by SpaceNoodled »

slashdev wrote: post #160
nunez wrote: post #157

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Your solution is to be the top 5% in some other cheaper economy while continuing to get paid a US comp package. Not sure how that's better. In fact, this is exactly the thing that's going to drive down all of our comp over time. If you can work effectively in Costa Rica, why won't I just hire good English-speaking talent in Costa Rica (more likely Brazil) at a tenth of your expected comp?

> Not sure how that's better. It's a lot better for me personally!

"Fuck you, got mine!"

Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek

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Post by s1artibartfast »

hypeatei wrote: post #133
solarpunk wrote: post #5

Degrowth ironically growing in popularity.

Good. "Growth at all costs" mindset is not sustainable or good for anyone but the upper echelons of society.

Also in this thread: "We demand more cheap housing!"

Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek

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Post by s1artibartfast »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #102
slashdev wrote: post #96

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That's a glass half full way to look at it. I'm creating jobs here and helping the local economy. I think it's a win-win.

That's what the people say who tear down 3 4-plexes to build a triple-lot mansion in Chicago say. If you have the option, more power to you - literally.

That's also what people say when they really create jobs too.

Your point reduces to the idea that nothing can be true, because people can lie.

Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek

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Post by s1artibartfast »

slashdev wrote: post #124
voisin wrote: post #108

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> My mortgage is -$2000 / month. That's right, negative $2000 because I save the full mortgage payment plus an extra $2000 on taxes each month, completely legally and above board. Can you elaborate?

There's no income tax on foreign source income here.

Can you deduct foreign mortgage interest on your US taxes?

Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek

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Post by [deleted] »

mhb wrote: post #14
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #7

Young people don't want to work hard because there's little incentive. No matter how hard you work, unless you're in the top 5%, you're far priced out of most places most people want to live. You can afford everything comfortably beside housing & health care (which you don't need much of when you're young) on a relatively low wage in the US. So you've pretty much given up on housing. What's the point in working hard?

The Ants and the Grasshopper - Aesop https://read.gov/aesop/052.html

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Re: Young people would sacrifice other perks for a 4-day workweek

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Post by s1artibartfast »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #148
sghiassy wrote: post #101

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Peasants under Feudalism had zero hope progressing. Upward mobility is probably something every generation has complained about throughout history. Economic nihilism isn’t the answer. Our future generations count on us to improve whatever cards we’re dealt

Upward mobility is a very recent phenomenon. Pesants weren't told that if they worked hard they could be nobility. There were born peasants and were very aware they would die peasants. We're at a unique point in that there was a brief period in recent history where upward mobility was true, and now it's becoming untrue again and those for whom it was true don't believe its becoming untrue again.

Stories of past upward mobility was always a lie. People would have you think that somehow in the past, 50% of people were making it into the top 10%.

Perceptions of the past are filtered through media that The life of the top 5% was the average.

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