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Re: Apple: Android is a tracking device [pdf]

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All smartphones are. There's only so much you can do to cover your track. There's most likely always someone knowing where you are if your phone is powered on (or even powered off with Apple Find My network). https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi...

Find My doesn’t actually map the device to an individual. Someone might know where the device which is currently broadcasting an ID is, but that ID rotates frequently, and can only be resolved to you using keys held against your Apple ID. The entire thing is specifically designed such that objects being tracked by Find My can’t be resolved to individuals, because the network depends upon publicly broadcasting those o…

It would be nice if the code on the device and server could be independently viewed and verified. Otherwise we need to trust the biggest corporation in the world. There are reasons why governments of the second and third great powers in the world, China and Russia, have banned Iphones for government use.

Re: Apple: Android is a tracking device [pdf]

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All smartphones are. There's only so much you can do to cover your track. There's most likely always someone knowing where you are if your phone is powered on (or even powered off with Apple Find My network). https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi...

Talk about a false equivalency. One has spying built into the business model itself. The other does not.

The thing about business models is they are in never-ending flux, always shifting, optimizing, and re-optomizing seeking the most profitable model(s).

If you have some business model either coincidentally or intentionally in alignment of consumer privacy, you're going to see marketing said alignment so long as it's a potential selling point (if it's not, it wont be advertised unless you can spin it).

It doesn't mean anything though. It doesn't mean that either or any business has your interests in mind. Apple executives do not care about your privacy, no matter what narrative they weave. Apple probably banked on older ideals of consumer privacy and didn't anticipate businesses that disregarded user privacy and found ways of making money out of that process would be so successful. They were behind the curve and found a way to spin the narrative that the reality is they're just here to protect consumers all along.

Perhaps they took a risk that differentiating on privacy would be more profitable years ago and are pushing it more now there's real consumer talk (a wise risk path IMHO). No matter what, it's all profit driven. At this point there could be a bit of a sunk cost fallacy and it would be pretty awkward for them to shift but that doesn't mean they won't . Consumers have shown by and large they just don't care about privacy or at least are willing to sacrifice it for other things. That's bad for Apple (and bad for consumers frankly, IMHO).

I don't buy these narratives from any business propaganda machine and you shouldn't either. When push comes to shove, if Apple is down and forced to compete and privacy protection isn't profitable or they're not in a position to explore an alternative truly competitive position, they will jump ship in an instant and mimic the rest of industry.

The only thing keeping these models at bay are a distribution of consumers that keep the competing models afloat. If Apple caves we'd rapidly go down the lack of privacy hole of spying functions until we reach legal protections. If Android caves, we'll see Apples continued model for awhile until the insatiable demand for revenue growth starts looking at initial principles like privacy as the last remaining revenue streams then we'll slowly start back with 2000s era advertising back to current and future dystopian levels of privacy invasion. The difference is just a time factor here, so long as large enough segments of the consumer market will cave to these ideals (which has already been proven).

I suppose some business could just add a line item "privacy tax" that you just pay for depending on the valuation of your privacy so to keep your privacy you clearly pay that tax so the business continues to get its expected revenue growth from said privacy invasion without actually invading your privacy. To some degree this is already baked into higher costs for many Apple products but as markets optimize I anticipate we'll eventually get to such a point, just like we have ad-free and ad-infested service options.

Re: Apple: Android is a tracking device [pdf]

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All smartphones are. There's only so much you can do to cover your track. There's most likely always someone knowing where you are if your phone is powered on (or even powered off with Apple Find My network). https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi...

> All smartphones are.

My Librem 5 isn't.

Re: Apple: Android is a tracking device [pdf]

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It hasn’t changed though, has it?

It really has, Android actually has privacy controls now which they definitely didn't in 2013. Developers can't request your location 24/7 without you even being aware of it like they could 10 years ago.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261

Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS (therecord.media)

816 points by gormandizer on March 30, 2021 | 445 comments

Re: Apple: Android is a tracking device [pdf]

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I love that the presentation was called "..._Final.key". Even the best business people haven't solved that problem.

It's a whole thing, right? There EXIST tools to do versioning of office docs, same as they do with code, but there's almost zero usage of them in offices.

On a similar note, do you know any tools for version control with changes visible for something like word? There's "track changes" but the UI isn't the best.

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This is so crazy to see. Usually when Apple faces the public, everything is super curated to sound pro-consumer, even if its anti-consumer. Sure this PDF doesnt venture far from it, they still paint Apple in the prettiest picture, but the terminology shows that Apple is basically doing the same thing as google but with slightly different methods to blur it. Heck, we don't actually know what is going on inside an iPho…

Apple sells expensive hardware and Google sells ads and data. I agree that we will never know for sure what Apple does, but follow the incentives and you will know which company has more to lose.

https://searchads.apple.com/

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All smartphones are. There's only so much you can do to cover your track. There's most likely always someone knowing where you are if your phone is powered on (or even powered off with Apple Find My network). https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi...

> All smartphones are. My Librem 5 isn't.

Your carrier can follow your location by triangulating your position from your SIM ID.

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> All smartphones are. My Librem 5 isn't.

Your carrier can follow your location by triangulating your position from your SIM ID.

Only if the modem hardware kill switch is on. I can always make sure I'm not tracked whenever I need it.

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> Heck, we don't actually know what is going on inside an iPhone, they could be combining accounts and sending data to Cambridge Analytica for all we know. You have a point. Apple depends so much on security by obscurity.

That’s true of everything you haven’t compiled yourself, using a compiler you wrote and bootstrapped yourself. There is no technical proof that any of the software or hardware we use every day is trustworthy. There is, however, incentive alignment that makes it unlikely that companies do wild and crazy things.

> That’s true of everything you haven’t compiled yourself

Except if your software is reproducible: https://reproducible-builds.org/

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