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Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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Anyone else have a weird vibe on how fast this went? I don’t remember how long Bernie Madoff’s trial was, but this one flew by really fast. The Spidey senses tell me there’s more to this we’re seeing. Whether you believe Elon or not, FTX was greasing the DNC wheels with a lot. FTX also had a lot of celebrities on board. They had the Miami Heat arena with their name on it. Now it’s all wrapped up, guilty as charged, a…

Why is everything a conspiracy to people like you?

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That's been my impression of SBF since FTX collapsed. Quite book smart, but zero experience in building a major service that custodies billions in other peoples' money. Raw intelligence is not enough in that context. Ideally you want to have apprenticed for at least a few years at a real exchange or custodial service. Somewhere you learn all the engineering details about how to architect it with proper financial cont…

It had nothing to do with engineering issues / risk. He was a scammer.

There is a very fine line between fraud and financial engineering. Perhaps none at all.

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Reminds me of working for MCI-Worldcom. When you think you’re working for crooks, you probably are. Run away.

Worked in crypto and I got that vibe so left. Regret it. For every SBF there are hundreds who get away with it. Tons of talentless crypto millionaires still roaming free. Look at the Axie Infinite guys plundering a whole country. Token could collapse, but there’ll be no justice and they’re sitting on at least 8 figures individually

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I liked the article detailing how poorly he did on the stand: https://www.thefp.com/p/humiliating-cross-examination-sam-ba... “Did you say in private, ‘Fuck regulators?’ ” “Did you call some customers ‘dumb motherfuckers?’ ” “Did you fly to the Super Bowl in a private plane?” “Most FTX customers did not have a line of credit, correct?” “Do you deny that Alameda had a $65 billion line of credit?” And on, and on, and o…

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This is incredibly relatable, and I feel like you're describing virtually every (verbal) interaction I have with other people.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's been my impression of SBF since FTX collapsed. Quite book smart, but zero experience in building a major service that custodies billions in other peoples' money. Raw intelligence is not enough in that context. Ideally you want to have apprenticed for at least a few years at a real exchange or custodial service. Somewhere you learn all the engineering details about how to architect it with proper financial cont…

It had nothing to do with engineering issues / risk. He was a scammer.

This is it exactly. He was running a confidence game. There are some big parallels with Bernie Madoff in fact. Spinning a story of financial genius out of a lucky break he got early on that had higher than typical returns, but in a market small enough to fly under the radar of the big players. The big difference is that SBF had less sense and let it spin out of control way too fast and hastened his own demise. At least Madoff got to live most of his life before he got sent to jail.

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I was reading the trial report by Inner City Press. The AUSAs were incredibly thorough and strategic. The evidences were air-tight, the cross-examination was masterfully controlled with precision and incisiveness, and of course the closing argument was forceful. It was a great joy to read the report, as if I was watching an extended episode of The Good Fight. On the other hand, the defense was really weak, quite hand…

> They were company expenditures to build a business, not for personal gains

I’d guess that the defence team knew they’d loose and this was in some way the start of their sentencing reduction plan: “the money was stolen to cover mostly business losses and to keep FTX going rather than for personal gain”.

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> You’d think this MIT graduate would wise up, but he never did. The MIT campus has a major public road running through the middle of it, one of the busiest surface streets in the area. You don't have to stand there very long to see a crowd of students almost get hit by a car because they didn't look before they crossed the street. Point is, the old cliche is true, there really is such a thing as a person with a lot…

That's been my impression of SBF since FTX collapsed. Quite book smart, but zero experience in building a major service that custodies billions in other peoples' money. Raw intelligence is not enough in that context. Ideally you want to have apprenticed for at least a few years at a real exchange or custodial service. Somewhere you learn all the engineering details about how to architect it with proper financial cont…

Maybe the rubes can be exonerated for falling to the incessant hyping of crypto but a smart person should know all crypto is a scam because the Washington Post, the bloody Washington Post told you it's either a Ponzi or a pyramid scheme in 2015. In 2017 you had Preston Byrne challenging that article in that he considered the scam to be significantly different from a Ponzi and gave it a new name, a "Nakamoto scheme" (as an aside, Jorge Stolfi will continue the debate in 2020 where he considers the difference not to be significant and I find his arguments to be rather convincing). But he didn't, not for one second, challenged the fact it is a scam. Attack of the 50 Foot Blockchain came out in July 2017. There's no way to enter the crypto space without mens rea in 2019.

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It's being debated in the bankruptcy court. Some creditors want to sell it off and others want to let it ride. Because this is crypto, some people want to issue a crypto token that represents claims on the estate.

That reminds me, it's been nearly two months now since we heard from either Kyle Davies or Zhu Su...

Zhu Su was arrested in Singapore about a month ago. Davies remains on the run.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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The opposite thing is going to happen in this case, and I'm sure you'll hear Ken on Serious Trouble saying the same thing next week (you can get Andrew McCarthy, another former AUSA, saying the same thing in the National Review today if you want that with a dash of anti-woke conservative racial politics). In basic economic crimes, sentences scale primarily with dollar losses, and FTX lost billions. He's going to do s…

Elizabth Holmes committed fraud, endangered lives, and harassed whistle blowers (one spent over $400,000 in legal fees fighting with Theranos). She only got 11 years and 3 months. I would not be surprised if Sam Bankman-Fried also got a fairly short sentence.

Holmes was only found guilty on 4 of 11 charges, totalling around $300m raised from investors. SBF is guilty on all counts of stealing 26 times more than that - $8bn of his customers deposits.
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