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Don’t teach your kids Consequentialism folks.

And if you teach them about expected value, also teach risk of ruin.

Extremely prescient exchange between SBF and Tyler Cowen:

COWEN: Okay, but let’s say there’s a game: 51 percent, you double the Earth out somewhere else; 49 percent, it all disappears. Would you play that game? And would you keep on playing that, double or nothing?

BANKMAN-FRIED: With one caveat. Let me give the caveat first, just to be a party pooper, which is, I’m assuming these are noninteracting universes. Is that right? Because to the extent they’re in the same universe, then maybe duplicating doesn’t actually double the value because maybe they would have colonized the other one anyway, eventually.

COWEN: But holding all that constant, you’re actually getting two Earths, but you’re risking a 49 percent chance of it all disappearing.

BANKMAN-FRIED: Again, I feel compelled to say caveats here, like, “How do you really know that’s what’s happening?” Blah, blah, blah, whatever. But that aside, take the pure hypothetical.

COWEN: Then you keep on playing the game. So, what’s the chance we’re left with anything? Don’t I just St. Petersburg paradox you into nonexistence?

BANKMAN-FRIED: Well, not necessarily. Maybe you St. Petersburg paradox into an enormously valuable existence. That’s the other option.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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Anyone know where to get good details? Specifically: do they know where the money went? If not, how did they prove intent (I assume they proved intent)?

Edit: another thing I'm wondering is about jurisdiction, since most of this occurred offshore and didn't involve US customers.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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Well... this is justice. Sadly, we don't get to see justice very often. This is life in prison, correct? I know he hasn't been sentenced but all counts is easily several life sentences at the federal level. When do the parents go on trial? I can't see how they make it out of this without at least having all their ill-begotten assets stripped.

Is it Justice? Who is being made whole? What wrong is being made right?

Because it doesn't look like justice. It looks like revenge. The US justice system doesn't mete out justice, it provides revenge.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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I'm certain he will out soon with a slap on the wrist (don't do this again, mmmok? sorry, i didn't know, won't happen again). Then a16z will give him a few billions to start the next chapter in life. Wework is close to filing bankruptcy, a16z is funding Adam Neumann's next startup. SBF is similarly talented.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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Life in prison seems extreme. Im going to randomly guess sentencing will be 25 years and he'll be out in 15.

It's a federal case, so that's not possible. He must serve at least 85% of the final sentence.

It will depend if the convictions are served concurrently or consecutively. You're right about the 85% rule for federal convictions though.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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Well... this is justice. Sadly, we don't get to see justice very often. This is life in prison, correct? I know he hasn't been sentenced but all counts is easily several life sentences at the federal level. When do the parents go on trial? I can't see how they make it out of this without at least having all their ill-begotten assets stripped.

Have all of the people scammed been brought whole? That would be justice. Someone sitting in jail isn't justice. It is punishment for his actions. I've never understood how someone being incarcerated has become considered justice.

I guess those people define justice as an eye for an eye. I see your point though.

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Interestingly, FTX made a $500 million USD investment in Anthropic; supposedly, this was made while Anthropic was valued at $4.6 billion (unconfirmed). Now, Anthropic is nearing $30 billion. Anyone know the latest on this? Is FTX going to sell that stake off to pay back the debts? [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-bankman-frieds-anthropic...

It's being debated in the bankruptcy court. Some creditors want to sell it off and others want to let it ride. Because this is crypto, some people want to issue a crypto token that represents claims on the estate.

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> He made the biggest mistake you can make in America, he stole money from the rich

No, he stole from millions of ordinary Americans. The reason we keep running into this is people take jokes like yours as serious tropes, and then filch from ordinary voters.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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In under five hours! The jury was home in time for dinner. One question for legal people—why is there such a long gap between conviction and sentencing? In this case, the sentence won't be set until March of next year.

Imagine sitting in a prison cell, for 5 months, having no idea how long you will be there. That sounds almost worse than knowing your sentence. At the end of the day he deserves everything he's getting

Are we sure that he'll be locked up waiting for sentencing?
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