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https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/statement-us-attorney-d... "This case is also a warning to every fraudster who thinks they're untouchable, that their crimes are too complex for us to catch, that they are too powerful to prosecute, or that they are clever enough to talk their way out of it if caught."

Unfortunately the real beneficiaries of these crimes will be overlooked now that their fall guy has taken the hit.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sam-bankman-frieds-dirty-politi...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's being debated in the bankruptcy court. Some creditors want to sell it off and others want to let it ride. Because this is crypto, some people want to issue a crypto token that represents claims on the estate.

Spoiler alert: it will be sold off to satisfy the debts of the bankrupt corporation. That's SOP for bankruptcy court, and it would take an extremely persuasive case to convince the court to do otherwise.

It's unclear there are buyers for this amount of private shares at the market price.

It's one thing for Google etc to invest billions in cash and cloud services[1] into Anthropic with the understanding that money will be used for engineering and growth.

It's quite different for any buyer to come in and spend $4B on the secondary market for nothing but shares, with none of that money going to Anthropic.

There is a large appetite for exposure to the big AI companies, so maybe the demand is there. But it's not as simple as selling a large stock holding on the public market.

[1] https://www.axios.com/2023/10/30/google-invests-2-billion-an...

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I was reading the trial report by Inner City Press. The AUSAs were incredibly thorough and strategic. The evidences were air-tight, the cross-examination was masterfully controlled with precision and incisiveness, and of course the closing argument was forceful. It was a great joy to read the report, as if I was watching an extended episode of The Good Fight. On the other hand, the defense was really weak, quite hand…

The defense really had no option. Several of Bankman-Fried's previous defense teams quit on him due to his behavior. Even in this trial, during a session with just the judge, the defense made an objection to a question, the judge sustained it, but Bankman-Fried answered anyways. His own defense team asked him where had he been this entire trial because the objection was sustained, you didn't have to answer that. Bankman-Fried retorted that he felt like he had to answer that one. Just think of how crazy you need to be to frustrate the only lawyer who would take Ghislaine Maxwell's case.

At the end of the day, the defense had an unwinnable case. Their defendent is an idiot, and all of his co-conspirators plead guilty to all charges.

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https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/statement-us-attorney-d... "This case is also a warning to every fraudster who thinks they're untouchable, that their crimes are too complex for us to catch, that they are too powerful to prosecute, or that they are clever enough to talk their way out of it if caught."

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 5 hours doesn’t surprise me. I was on the jury of a federal fraud trial with 2 defendants with 15 charges, ~30 million in losses. We were thorough and went through each count separately, including reviewing some of the evidence, and were done in maybe 8 hours spread across 2 days. We ended up with a mixed verdict: one count not guilty for both, another not guilty for one. I fully believe they were aware and commi…

> to explain that “the internet uses wires” I wonder if they did that to avoid having to explain to the jury that wire fraud does not actually require the use of wires...

What does it require, if not wires?

And are modern fiber optic cables wires in any sense of the word? Does the relevant statute in USC18 actually define "wire" for the purpose of the crime?

Part of me thinks that wireless communications must be included, but one might make the case that even then, information/communication is transmitted over wire at some point.

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One aspect of SBF's downfall that is not discussed enough, IMO: amphetamines (even taken for medical reasons/ADHD) release a ton of dopamine, seek more release, and make you do some weird stuff and seek risky behaviors (and reinforce them through reward system).

I recall his interviews and annoyed tone at uncomfortable questions - made me laugh, just like people on speed.

And absolutely avoid selegiline for "productivity", especially with amphetamines, this will turn anyone into a pathological compulsive person (e.g. a gambler).

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post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's being debated in the bankruptcy court. Some creditors want to sell it off and others want to let it ride. Because this is crypto, some people want to issue a crypto token that represents claims on the estate.

i dont get why the shares in the investment isn't just divvied up to each individual investor, and let them make a choice to sell or not. And if there's transaction costs involved in selling small amounts, it could be aggregated before divving up, and those who wants to sell can collectively sell and save on costs.

Anthropic doesn’t want dozens (hundreds?) of disgruntled creditors on their cap table and there might be provisions preventing such a transfer.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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That happened fast! I expected it to drag on for much longer. Wonder if he'll appeal.

They always appeal.. "Dad, why is the American government the best government? "Because of our endless appeals system" Thank You for Smoking

Appeals are expensive and risky. He may appeal but I doubt he has the money to. Also, he probably has no grounds for appeal because he really did commit fraud, the government has a lot of evidence that he is a criminal, and the government did not violate his rights.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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post #436

One aspect of SBF's downfall that is not discussed enough, IMO: amphetamines (even taken for medical reasons/ADHD) release a ton of dopamine, seek more release, and make you do some weird stuff and seek risky behaviors (and reinforce them through reward system). I recall his interviews and annoyed tone at uncomfortable questions - made me laugh, just like people on speed. And absolutely avoid selegiline for "producti…

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Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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I liked the article detailing how poorly he did on the stand: https://www.thefp.com/p/humiliating-cross-examination-sam-ba... “Did you say in private, ‘Fuck regulators?’ ” “Did you call some customers ‘dumb motherfuckers?’ ” “Did you fly to the Super Bowl in a private plane?” “Most FTX customers did not have a line of credit, correct?” “Do you deny that Alameda had a $65 billion line of credit?” And on, and on, and o…

I'm no lawyer, but I think that the defense has to be presented with all the evidence that will be used in the prosecution's case, before the trial starts. In that case, it's even funnier because the defense knew the prosecution had all of those things before he was even asked those questions.

Yes, they’re obligated to turn over everything they’ll use in their case. They’re also obligated to turn over everything that could help the defendant (exculpatory evidence).

But my understanding is, they’re not obligated to turn over evidence that is not part of their case and is only used to rebut a witness’s testimony. Which would cover the stuff they used to contradict SBF’s statements on the stand.

Can someone clarify? (Sorry, “add color”.)

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