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Light can make water evaporate without heat

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'clumped vapor' might be way more effective for cloudseeding

Yes, although the molecule clusters evaporate rapidly after they leave the surface

Even if they're in a high humidity environment where you could plausibly seed a cloud in the first place?

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> The researchers found that the effect varied with color and peaked at a particular wavelength of green light. I wonder if this affects photosynthesis in any way? IIRC plants are green because chlorophyll does not absorb that color. Maybe that’s partially because green light induces too much evaporation?

or the opposite, it likes the green light because reflecting it keeps the plant cool? I also recall a study where trees emitted a sort of mist into the air, perhaps the greenery helps with that process too

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What exactly is the distinction between water vapor and steam?

Where I'm sitting now, the humidity in the air is about 40%. Would you consider that to be "steam"? I feel like steam generally needs to be hot, or at least somewhat warm. Cold steam exists, but is specifically called out as an exception to the rule. Maybe steam needs to be somewhat translucent?

Humidity is a percentage of the amount of water that could be in the air, which is when the vapor pressure of water is equal to the partial pressure.[1]

So if you're in a room 20 °C, the partial pressure of water is 0.0231 Atmospheres * 40% --> 0.00924 water (0.924%)

Steam is 100% water, and generally can only happen at 100 °C or higher.

The highest humidity/temperature I've experienced is about 100% at 99F, which works out to around 7% water in the air. It was a miserable day, and I was a young/healthy kid at the time. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapour_pressure_of_water

Re: Light can make water evaporate without heat

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Maybe, but evaporation is critical for plants. They don't have a heart to pump blood and supply nutrients, they have to rely on evaporation to move nutrients from the roots up

I imagine the leaves being green would encourage this evaporation. The upper layers of cells are probably effectively translucent and might be awash in green light, perhaps increasing the rate of evaporation and improving overall transpiration.

That’s my guess as well. The green chlorophyll is inside of the cell. It absorbs sunlight for food but reflects the green light back through the water-air boundary. Perhaps the effect on evaporation or water movement provides a better benefit for the plant than absorbing the energy of that spectra. For instance, by increasing the efficiency of respiration.

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I can't wrap my head around this story. What does it mean in thermodynamic terms? Isn't there a fixed amount of energy per mass that it takes to convert liquid water into vapor? Why does it matter that the energy comes from light?

Thermodynamics and evaporation are my day job and I think most other explanations here are missing the point. Evaporation normally occurs when individual water molecules have enough thermal energy to break their intermolecular bonds, leaving the bulk liquid and entering the air. In this case, they found strong evidence that water molecules were being removed in groups of several water molecules. Because intermolecula…

I had this understanding too from university physics but now that I think about it why do we assume each molecule has to break away independently. Why can't lumps of molecules break away as long as the group has enough energy to sever bonds with the rest of the bulk?

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Thermodynamics and evaporation are my day job and I think most other explanations here are missing the point. Evaporation normally occurs when individual water molecules have enough thermal energy to break their intermolecular bonds, leaving the bulk liquid and entering the air. In this case, they found strong evidence that water molecules were being removed in groups of several water molecules. Because intermolecula…

I had this understanding too from university physics but now that I think about it why do we assume each molecule has to break away independently. Why can't lumps of molecules break away as long as the group has enough energy to sever bonds with the rest of the bulk?

Well it’s not that it never happens, it’s just that it’s not particularly likely. Heat is disordered kinetic energy, so most often molecules won’t be traveling in the same direction.
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