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Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kibibu wrote: post #28
autoexec wrote: post #6

If they'd cut out their classmate's head from their yearbook photo and pasted it onto the body of a pornstar with elmer's glue would police have gotten involved? This type of bullying is as old as dirt. Bullies suck, and the kids who did this should get in some kind of trouble with the school and their parents, but this is not something police need to be involved in. The moral panic over deepfakes is ridiculous, but…

You don't see a tangible difference in the detectability of the fake being a factor? The glued on photo will always be uncanny, but deepfake will not.

> glued on photo will always be uncanny, but deepfake will not

Eh, this is still a civil matter. Unless the picture was made for the purpose of harassment, there is no ill will we can presuppose the perpetrators had towards the victim. Just immense immaturity and a lack of judgement and empathy. Judgement and empathy can be taught. (If it was done with the intent of causing distress, i.e. cruelly, it's a matter for the police.)

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by ngngngng »

seasox wrote: post #24
ngngngng wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if a teenager is skilled enough at drawing on their iPad to make something look photorealistic, and they draw a naked picture of a classmate and share it, should that be illegal too? I'm not trying to say it's ok, but just like the person you replied to, I truly find these things comparable.

> they draw a naked picture of a classmate and share it, should that be illegal too? I don‘t see the argument here. What you describe is sexual harassment and should be illegal.

I guess I've never looked into everything that can constitute sexual harrassment.

If person A draws a naked picture and shares it with person B, and it looks like person C, then person C has been sexually harassed?

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by Aeolun »

meheleventyone wrote: post #5
Invictus0 wrote: post #2

Should it be illegal for a kid to draw a "naked picture" of another kid?

That’s not comparable though since the deepfake is going to be photo-realistic and the image wasn’t just made but shared. As noted in the article it seems that making these sorts of images of real people is highly likely to be made illegal in its own right and the behaviour could be illegal already under different laws.

Photo realistic only in a sense. The body will have no relation to the actual body of the person in question.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by meheleventyone »

autoexec wrote: post #26
meheleventyone wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article describes them as teens so they’re almost certainly old enough to experience some more serious repercussions for sexual harassment. It’s the old as dirt behaviour that this is “acting like dumb kids” so it should slide that helps perpetuate this sort of thing.

> It’s the old as dirt behaviour that this is “acting like dumb kids” so it should slide that helps perpetuate this sort of thing. I never said it "should slide". This sort of behaviour is common in children and childhood is exactly the time to teach them to be better. This is a matter for the school and the parents to handle. There is zero reason for police to be involved in any of it.

If you just shrug it off as “bullying” but I’m not convinced this behaviour is so innocent and I suspect that at some point between the age of 13-19 as in this case there should be more serious repercussions.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by hhh »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #31
kibibu wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see a tangible difference in the detectability of the fake being a factor? The glued on photo will always be uncanny, but deepfake will not.

> glued on photo will always be uncanny, but deepfake will not Eh, this is still a civil matter. Unless the picture was made for the purpose of harassment, there is no ill will we can presuppose the perpetrators had towards the victim. Just immense immaturity and a lack of judgement and empathy. Judgement and empathy can be taught. (If it was done with the intent of causing distress, i.e. cruelly, it's a matter for t…

Did you read the article? It states they created the images and were sharing them. This 'boys will be boys' mentality contributes to these things.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by [deleted] »

ngngngng wrote: post #32
seasox wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they draw a naked picture of a classmate and share it, should that be illegal too? I don‘t see the argument here. What you describe is sexual harassment and should be illegal.

I guess I've never looked into everything that can constitute sexual harrassment. If person A draws a naked picture and shares it with person B, and it looks like person C, then person C has been sexually harassed?

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Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by irrational »

sidlls wrote: post #30
autoexec wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s the old as dirt behaviour that this is “acting like dumb kids” so it should slide that helps perpetuate this sort of thing. I never said it "should slide". This sort of behaviour is common in children and childhood is exactly the time to teach them to be better. This is a matter for the school and the parents to handle. There is zero reason for police to be involved in any of it.

That depends on the extent of the harm. Some bullying is “mild” and recoverable. Assault is another matter. Reaching for the law as the first step is not a good idea, but excluding the possibility simply because they’re minors would be a mistake.

I just reread the article. Where are you seeing that someone was assaulted?

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by Aeolun »

ngngngng wrote: post #32
seasox wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they draw a naked picture of a classmate and share it, should that be illegal too? I don‘t see the argument here. What you describe is sexual harassment and should be illegal.

I guess I've never looked into everything that can constitute sexual harrassment. If person A draws a naked picture and shares it with person B, and it looks like person C, then person C has been sexually harassed?

I think it’s a matter of degree. If you share it behind closed doors, with a few friends, it wouldn’t turn any heads (mostly because the target is unaware).

If you share it with the entire class? In the school building itself? It becomes impossible for the target to not be aware.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

hhh wrote: post #35
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> glued on photo will always be uncanny, but deepfake will not Eh, this is still a civil matter. Unless the picture was made for the purpose of harassment, there is no ill will we can presuppose the perpetrators had towards the victim. Just immense immaturity and a lack of judgement and empathy. Judgement and empathy can be taught. (If it was done with the intent of causing distress, i.e. cruelly, it's a matter for t…

Did you read the article? It states they created the images and were sharing them. This 'boys will be boys' mentality contributes to these things.

> Did you read the article? It states they created the images and were sharing them.

I'd need to see more to conclude harassment, i.e. proof of intent to cause psychological harm, versus teasing without any clue about the impacts of one's actions.

> 'boys will be boys' mentality

I don't think this is equivalent. This is immature kids playing with new technology and pushing the boundaries of decency with it. Without proof of intended malice, or evidence of actual harm, it's not a matter for criminal procedure.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by tantalor »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #31
kibibu wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see a tangible difference in the detectability of the fake being a factor? The glued on photo will always be uncanny, but deepfake will not.

> glued on photo will always be uncanny, but deepfake will not Eh, this is still a civil matter. Unless the picture was made for the purpose of harassment, there is no ill will we can presuppose the perpetrators had towards the victim. Just immense immaturity and a lack of judgement and empathy. Judgement and empathy can be taught. (If it was done with the intent of causing distress, i.e. cruelly, it's a matter for t…

I think we can assume ill intent, the same as if they were spreading lies or real nudes (revenge porn).
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