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Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by meheleventyone »

ngngngng wrote: post #13
meheleventyone wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not comparable though since the deepfake is going to be photo-realistic and the image wasn’t just made but shared. As noted in the article it seems that making these sorts of images of real people is highly likely to be made illegal in its own right and the behaviour could be illegal already under different laws.

So if a teenager is skilled enough at drawing on their iPad to make something look photorealistic, and they draw a naked picture of a classmate and share it, should that be illegal too? I'm not trying to say it's ok, but just like the person you replied to, I truly find these things comparable.

Yeah if they can draw something that photorealistic then sure. Poorly rendered drawings could also constitute harassment depending on what they were and how they were used.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by meheleventyone »

nvy wrote: post #17
meheleventyone wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or we can just recognise creating and distributing fake images of real people as the harassment that it is.

Sure, and I agree that it's harassment, and reprehensible, but there will always be people who do it because there are a lot of shitty people out there.

Right so we can criminalise and tackle that. Rather than shrug our shoulders about it.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by autokad »

autoexec wrote: post #6

If they'd cut out their classmate's head from their yearbook photo and pasted it onto the body of a pornstar with elmer's glue would police have gotten involved? This type of bullying is as old as dirt. Bullies suck, and the kids who did this should get in some kind of trouble with the school and their parents, but this is not something police need to be involved in. The moral panic over deepfakes is ridiculous, but…

they need it so they can police us from making copyrighted material. that's all its about.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by seasox »

ngngngng wrote: post #13
meheleventyone wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not comparable though since the deepfake is going to be photo-realistic and the image wasn’t just made but shared. As noted in the article it seems that making these sorts of images of real people is highly likely to be made illegal in its own right and the behaviour could be illegal already under different laws.

So if a teenager is skilled enough at drawing on their iPad to make something look photorealistic, and they draw a naked picture of a classmate and share it, should that be illegal too? I'm not trying to say it's ok, but just like the person you replied to, I truly find these things comparable.

> they draw a naked picture of a classmate and share it, should that be illegal too?

I don‘t see the argument here. What you describe is sexual harassment and should be illegal.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by Kamq »

meheleventyone wrote: post #5
Invictus0 wrote: post #2

Should it be illegal for a kid to draw a "naked picture" of another kid?

That’s not comparable though since the deepfake is going to be photo-realistic and the image wasn’t just made but shared. As noted in the article it seems that making these sorts of images of real people is highly likely to be made illegal in its own right and the behaviour could be illegal already under different laws.

That's going to make an interesting supreme court case when it ends up there.

You can develop fake images of someone from pretty much purely public data. Images in the past, you would have needed to take an actual picture of the person. And if you had taken a picture of the person, there's generally a way to handle this scenario under copyright laws.

If someone shows up in court and says it's not a picture of the person suing, and just a generated image of someone who looks rather similar (people looking similar to each other being a rather common occurrence), and that the image is unlikely to cause imminent lawless action, it would be really interesting to watch the court try to pick apart what's going on.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by autoexec »

meheleventyone wrote: post #11
autoexec wrote: post #6

If they'd cut out their classmate's head from their yearbook photo and pasted it onto the body of a pornstar with elmer's glue would police have gotten involved? This type of bullying is as old as dirt. Bullies suck, and the kids who did this should get in some kind of trouble with the school and their parents, but this is not something police need to be involved in. The moral panic over deepfakes is ridiculous, but…

The article describes them as teens so they’re almost certainly old enough to experience some more serious repercussions for sexual harassment. It’s the old as dirt behaviour that this is “acting like dumb kids” so it should slide that helps perpetuate this sort of thing.

> It’s the old as dirt behaviour that this is “acting like dumb kids” so it should slide that helps perpetuate this sort of thing.

I never said it "should slide". This sort of behaviour is common in children and childhood is exactly the time to teach them to be better. This is a matter for the school and the parents to handle. There is zero reason for police to be involved in any of it.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by nvy »

meheleventyone wrote: post #22
nvy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, and I agree that it's harassment, and reprehensible, but there will always be people who do it because there are a lot of shitty people out there.

Right so we can criminalise and tackle that. Rather than shrug our shoulders about it.

We can criminalize it, sure. I just doubt it will appreciably curb the behavior.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by kibibu »

autoexec wrote: post #6

If they'd cut out their classmate's head from their yearbook photo and pasted it onto the body of a pornstar with elmer's glue would police have gotten involved? This type of bullying is as old as dirt. Bullies suck, and the kids who did this should get in some kind of trouble with the school and their parents, but this is not something police need to be involved in. The moral panic over deepfakes is ridiculous, but…

You don't see a tangible difference in the detectability of the fake being a factor? The glued on photo will always be uncanny, but deepfake will not.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by Aeolun »

meheleventyone wrote: post #11
autoexec wrote: post #6

If they'd cut out their classmate's head from their yearbook photo and pasted it onto the body of a pornstar with elmer's glue would police have gotten involved? This type of bullying is as old as dirt. Bullies suck, and the kids who did this should get in some kind of trouble with the school and their parents, but this is not something police need to be involved in. The moral panic over deepfakes is ridiculous, but…

The article describes them as teens so they’re almost certainly old enough to experience some more serious repercussions for sexual harassment. It’s the old as dirt behaviour that this is “acting like dumb kids” so it should slide that helps perpetuate this sort of thing.

Are you trying to argue they’re either not kids, or not dumb? Because otherwise this sounds like a perfectly accurate characterization.

Re: Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe

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Post by sidlls »

autoexec wrote: post #26
meheleventyone wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article describes them as teens so they’re almost certainly old enough to experience some more serious repercussions for sexual harassment. It’s the old as dirt behaviour that this is “acting like dumb kids” so it should slide that helps perpetuate this sort of thing.

> It’s the old as dirt behaviour that this is “acting like dumb kids” so it should slide that helps perpetuate this sort of thing. I never said it "should slide". This sort of behaviour is common in children and childhood is exactly the time to teach them to be better. This is a matter for the school and the parents to handle. There is zero reason for police to be involved in any of it.

That depends on the extent of the harm. Some bullying is “mild” and recoverable. Assault is another matter. Reaching for the law as the first step is not a good idea, but excluding the possibility simply because they’re minors would be a mistake.
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