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Re: .io considered harmful

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Legality is a concept defined by the governments doing the things. It's funny to see people react to something they perceive as immoral and just claim it's illegal. I'm no legal expert but I'm reasonably confident one or both of Florida and the USA would find that to be an illegal transaction. Presumably Britain and Mauritius did not, at the time.

However the UN declared it a violation of international law in 1965 and the ICK has in recent years come to the same conclusion, so in this case there is actual evidence to support that it was illegal.

> However the UN declared it a violation of international law in 1965

The harsh reality is that it genuinely doesn't matter what the UN declares. General Assembly resolutions are non-binding and are almost universally ignored.

The UN also is not the ultimate authority on international law. The countries subscribing to said international law are.

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The part I fail to follow is that denouncing the occupation of Chagos necessarily means that the two letter abbreviation "IO" becomes off-limits for all use cases. If ICANN were to actually step in, all they would realistically do (which, logically, should address your concerns) is designate that .io now stands for Input/Output and should be used for tech-related websites (which would merely legitimize how the TLD is…

The original British sod who bought the lot has already made off with ill-gotten gains. But the private equity company that currently owns it bought it from him . So I fail to see how the current PE owner has any legitimate claim to own the TLD. They "own" stolen property. ICANN should rip it from their hands, then re-bid it as a gTLD. If the same PE company wants to rebuy it... that's their business, and fairly done…

> They "own" stolen property.

but its not stolen?

> ICANN should rip it from their hands, then re-bid it as a gTLD.

but if it is stolen, taking it away and re-selling it isnt the correct remedy. surely it should go to the descendants of the people who are displaced? or better yet, put in trust to provide for them in perpetuity.

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I'm just happy they are talking about it all! It's good to learn about things outside your main domain, especially with something like world history/geopolitics. Can you give examples of the gibberish? Genuinely fascinated to know what you are referring to. This kind of stuff in particular can be pretty disheartening to learn about in general, and I find misinformation/pathos around it can often come from resistance…

Hi there! I'm glad you're genuinely fascinated! Deciphering the meaning of words used by commoners can be totes challenging! I too enjoy learning things outside my main areas of interest, sometimes even conversing with people who exist outside the monoculture of my university program. I find there's a lot of misinformation/pathos around these beautiful people and their diverse cultures. Instead of using every word li…

Incredibly rude comment

Re: .io considered harmful

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The invocation of "colonialism" in tech discussions tends to be a pretty reliable indication that what follows will be gibberish.

I'm just happy they are talking about it all! It's good to learn about things outside your main domain, especially with something like world history/geopolitics. Can you give examples of the gibberish? Genuinely fascinated to know what you are referring to. This kind of stuff in particular can be pretty disheartening to learn about in general, and I find misinformation/pathos around it can often come from resistance…

A fascination with history is good! I'm not entirely sure why people are downvoting.

The only thing that I would suggest is learning about "historiography". As that's very important when you are learning about "contested" or "active" fields of historical research.

History is always biased, and often is used as a way to frame the present, more than it is the past.

to your point, Learning about the history of the empire is currently difficult for a number of reasons:

1) certain parts of the world are deeply ashamed of it, and will readily believe the worst, even if its logically not actually true.

2) other parts truly believe it was the best thing since sliced bread and civilised the world.

the truth lies in between.

Because the empire is now partly wrapped up in a culture war (renaming of streets, statues etc) internet and popculture sources for history tend to be either hyperbolic or really black and white.

For example "England was the real empire builder and Scotland were also victims and were not really involved." This is patent bollocks for a number of reasons not least of which Scotland had a much higher rate of literacy and numeracy, so were needed to actually run the empire. However this view as scotland being the Victim of Englands bloodthirsty slave trade, is a device that is (mostly unwittingly) used to further the othering of the UK to allow for scots independence.

This is where historiography comes in, an academic or, group of people will set out with a new narrative (Scots were the victims of empire) and start searching for sources to back that up. They will write a set of papers that will put forward the narrative. It will be challenged by others and perhaps it will shift accepted opinion on the matter.

Another example is "Britain stood alone against the germans in WWII and won the war". was very fashionable up until recently. Now people are pointing out that it had the biggest economy by far, and it's empire covered large parts of the planet. It wasn't one island, it was an entire empire. More over, it almost single handedly funded the American industrialisation that kickstarted the post war American boom.

Keep looking, keep questioning sources and motivations (including mine.)

Re: .io considered harmful

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I used to work at a registrar and I completely agree with you. This is exactly my take as well (with a small exception for .eu, just don't use it) For your online identity (ie email address) I'd even go as far as suggesting not using a ccTLD at all, no matter if you check all the boxes. No fancy gTLD either, just use a .com. I don't think any TLD is remotely as reliable as this one (maybe .net because they're both Ve…

I’d say that it depends on your situation and TLD registry. For argument’s sake, if I was a company in, say, India, would I be able to trust that Verisign would keep my .com or .us domain rights against, say, Google? Probably not, so I’d probably prefer a .in domain in that case, since an Indian authority or registrar would be more amenable to arguments and reasoned discourse with me, an Indian company.

For a company yeah, I would definitely consider the ccTLD. As an individual, not so much

Re: .io considered harmful

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A prime example: "Acknowledging that you're on Comanche (or whoever) land". This "acknowledgment" never seems to involve paying any rent to the Comanche for being on "their land", nor doing anything else that actually benefits the Comanche. Taking the 15 seconds to add this to your social media profile means you can signal to everyone what a Good Person you are without ever having to actually do anything.

Some indigenous people believe land acknowledgements are a good 1st step. Some believe they are a waste of time. But the 2nd group don't claim the 1st group don't exist. Voluntary land tax programs exist.[1] They seem to benefit from land acknowledgements. [1] https://nativegov.org/news/voluntary-land-taxes/

It doesn't matter what they "believe". They get little or no tangible benefit from someone posting that bullshit (and it is bullshit) on their Facebook or Twitter profile.

> Voluntary land tax programs exist.

I'm not seeing any actual dollar figures there, nor in any of the linked examples, except the Duwamish site which mentions some guy paying $18/month. The mean rent for a one bedroom apartment in Seattle is around $2,000/month.

Paying a token amount like that doesn't make it any less virtue-signaling.

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However the UN declared it a violation of international law in 1965 and the ICK has in recent years come to the same conclusion, so in this case there is actual evidence to support that it was illegal.

> However the UN declared it a violation of international law in 1965 The harsh reality is that it genuinely doesn't matter what the UN declares. General Assembly resolutions are non-binding and are almost universally ignored. The UN also is not the ultimate authority on international law. The countries subscribing to said international law are.

The combination of the UN and the ICJ does however make it entirely reasonable to describe it as illegal, and that was the point I was addressing in response to a post implying people picked something they see as immoral and "just claim it's illegal".

In this case the claim of illegality is backed up by a court the UK was one of the original proponents of, that the UK has presided over, that the UK was the first state to submit a case to. As such, whether or not the decision is enforceable it's quite a bit more than "just claiming it's illegal".

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Virtue signaling is the expression of a conspicuous, self-righteous moral viewpoint with the intent of communicating good character. It doesn't actually have to be virtuous, it only needs to signal virtue to others. Virtue signalling usually does not genuinely solve anything anyway it's merely supposed to impress upon you that "this person is good", that's the entire goal. Whether it's meaningful or not doesn't enter…

On the other hand, the article could also just be the expression of a strongly held personal belief about some injustice in the world. The virtue signaling meme tends to be a way of denigrating strongly held beliefs that conflict with the person calling “virtue signaling” in some way, and frankly is a virtue signal of its own. There’s literally no need to call people out for “virtue signaling” other than to stand up…

The phrase "strongly-held beliefs" brings to mind XKCD's "clinically-studied ingredient"[1]: flat-earthers, neo-nazis, and GWB's CIA strongly believe(d) in all kinds of things. I'm not sure being "strongly held" makes a belief undeserving of denigration.

I think most people (including myself) find virtue signaling annoying for two reasons: first, it's usually conveyed in a smug, self-righteous, and even accusatory attitude, and second, because it rarely contributes anything or furthers discourse. In fact, it almost always stifles it. It's useful to call it out for the discourse-limiting technique it is, right up there with whataboutism, sealioning, etc.

Secondly, there's a belief hinted at in your justification that one must have an opinion on everything - that "silence is violence". You're either for (or sometimes against) the Current Thing, or else you're a fascist puppy-kicker who wants the terrorists to win. There's no in-between, no nuance, no additional considerations allowed. (See also: "That's a [republican|democrat|communist|nazi] talking point!") Virtue signalers communicate in talking points, betraying their tenuous grasp of a subject they have (ostensibly) strongly-held beliefs on.

Furthermore, in my personal experience, the loudest virtue signalers always seem to be the worst humans, so there's a kind of stomach-turning hypocrisy when (e.g.) you see someone who you know kicked puppies all through high school and college never shuts up about what a dog person he is (because dogs are good and people who don't like dogs are Bad; therefore, they are Good because they like dogs). Or the dirtbag who creeps out girls constantly posting feminist memes, illustrating that women can definitely feel comfortable around him. That is, it's not the dogs or feminism that's disgusting.

The way that "wokes" (where "woke" = "shitlib", shifted left) employ virtue signals is distinct from leftists engaged in debate, starting with the complete lack of dialectics. The conversation exists not to exchange information, reach an agreement, elucidate facts, or any of the normal reasons people discuss and debate things. Instead, it appears only to serve the external image projected by the speaker/author, whether erudition or to assert they're a Good Person™.

Part of it can be blamed on "eternal September" of sorts, where each year, a new group of freshmen are learning for the very first time that the world isn't as simple as their parents and high school teachers taught them. That sometimes, what's written was written for political and ideological rather than factual purposes (e.g., Columbus). It should engage a healthy dose of skepticism or criticality - even outrage - but the trend here in America seems more contrarian than critical, and it manifests in daft conclusions[2].

To further illustrate my point, I have many friends and family that are Spanish-speaking-born-outside-the-USA hispanic. Many of them work with other immigrants from all over the world, and I've sat around with people who each speak a different language and had totally reasonable conversations on all kinds of hot-button issues. We share, we learn, we shake our heads at each others' misunderstandings, and sometimes even call each other names. It only becomes a hostile shitshow when a white, liberal, middle-class, college-educated dork shows up and starts trying to rank Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Nigerians, Ugandans, Albanians, etc on their overly-simple oppression ranking scale, or shitlibsplaining to a native Spanish speaker about how they should use "Latinx" because Genders Bad. Usually, they just get laughed at, but it's devolved into some pretty heated situations that could have been avoided simply by shutting up and listening, instead of explaining to Ugandans and Haitians that their struggles are basically the same.

Another anecdote was a local in town who routinely inserted themselves into things that didn't concern them, often with a great sense of moral superiority. One day, they appointed themselves in charge of telling homeless people which side of the street they should be on. After lecturing the homeless white lady on race and that she needs to give up her spot to the black homeless man, she informed him that he assaulted her and took her spot, and that's why she was cry-screaming on the corner. He let out a literal shriek and tried to back out of it with a feeble "can't we all just get along" before the homeless guy assaulted him for interfering at all.

It was "her" spot. She sat there damn near every day. The dude was acting erratically and ended up going to the hospital - but the facts didn't matter - his mental health didn't matter - her physical safety didn't matter - only this simple, stupid, binary scale of oppression (to be created and enforced by you-guessed-it: overeducated and underemployed upper-middle-class white kids), and - presumably - the ability to go home and post on social media about what a Good Person™ he was to teach this homeless lady about her privileges he just learned about last semester.

Their blatant ignorance and racism shows through when they start generalizing about these peoples' countries, cultures, languages, etc through their own distorted lens; they expose their colonizer parts by lecturing South Americans on how they should change their language to match The Correct Idea of Gender; flaunt their internalized white supremacy by asserting themselves as the ad-hoc police, etc, etc, etc. On the bright side, at least they understand they're not allowed to call the cops if they get punched in the face by anyone with darker skin or a thicker accent than they have.

In short, it's so often transparently performative and done with such a repulsive attitude that their lectures are frankly beneath contempt, even if some of their talking points are occasionally correct/agreeable.

  [1] https://xkcd.com/1096/
  [2] https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/10/29/the_disfiguring_prism_of_oppressor_and_oppressed_149977.html
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